Date: Mar 25, 2006 3:18 PM
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Dear Sourav,
Chandra upapada and Surya upapada are the arudha padas of the 12th house from Moon an Sun respectively. My guru Pt Sanjay Rath did teach me once what they are supposed to show, but I did not fully understand and hence do not want to talk about it.
When one does not fully understand what is shown by the 12 house from Moon and the 12th house from Sun, how can one understand what is shown by their arudha padas?
* * *
Regarding Bhrigu Bindus, I have something to say.
I found interesting results when I tried them in annual Tithi Pravesha charts (soli-lunar counterpart of Tajaka varshaphal charts of solar calendar).
What I did was to find the mid-point of Moon and Rahu (known as "Bhrigu bindu" or BB). Then I progressed it to cover 360 degrees in 360 tithis (soli-lunar days). However, I did not progress with a uniform speed. I progressed it non-linearly based on Vimsottari dasa years. For example, under Vimsottari dasa, Aswini star gives only 7 years while Bharani star gives 20 years. So I progressed BB by 360 deg within 360 tithis in the ratio of Vimsottari dasa years. For example, suppose BB is at the beginning of Aswini in the annual TP chart. Then it will cover Aswini star in the first 7 tithis after annual TP and cover Bharani star in the next 20 tithis and so on. As you cover all the 27 stars (i.e. 360 deg), you will then have finished 360 tithis! Thus, BB is progressed slowly in some areas of the zodiac and progressed fast in some other areas. It is a non-linear progression. I got good results only with this. With normal linear progression, the results are off by several degrees.
As BB is progressed using the above progression, what I found is that it touches important planetary positions (or 180 deg points from them) on the days of important events. Also, the planet being touched by progressed BB has a link to the event. Planet's position is not progressed from its position in the annual TP chart and only BB is.
I will give a couple of examples.
I will use my own chart. My birthdata is: 4th April 1970, 5:47:13 pm (IST), Machilipatnam, India (81e12, 16n15).
(1) On 10th Nov 1994, I left India and I have been away since then. The annual TP chart of 1994-95 is cast at 4:46:56 am (IST) on 9th April 1994 (at birthplace). Saturn is the 12th lord in 12th house at 14Aq23. He can show displacement from motherland. In fact, Saturn's annual Tithi Ashtottari dasa started on 5th Nov 1994 and that brought the move abroad.
The BB for the year is at 2Cp28. This falls in Uttarashadha star. If we count the tithis from the annual TP time to Nov 10 (i.e. from Phalguna Krishna Chaturdasi to Kartika Sukla Ashtami), we get about 219 tithis (2 tithis in Phalguna month, 30 each in Chaitra, Vaisakha, Jyeshtha, Ashadha, Sravana, Bhadrapada and Aswayuja months and 7 in Kartika month - event happened at the beginning of Ashtami). BB progresses thru the remaining part in Uttarashadha in 3 tithis. It progresses thru 9 stars from Sravanam till Krittika in the next 120 tithis. Thus, we get to the beginning of Rohini after 123 tithis. We have 219-123=96 tithis. Rohini (10), Mrigasira (7), Ardra (18), Punarvasu (16), Pushyami (19), Asresha (17) and Magha (7) cover 94 tithis out of the 96 tithis. So, at the time of the event, progressed BB is in Poorvashadha star and progressed 2/20=1/10th through the nakshatra. Poorvashada star starts at 13Le20. If we add 1/10th of a star, i.e. 1 deg 20 min, we get 14Le40. That is the longitude of progressed BB on 10th Nov. Interestingly, Saturn is at 14Aq23 in the annual TP chart! So the 180 deg point from progressed BB touches Saturn. As mentioned earlier, Saturn is the 12th lord 12th and shows leaving motherland.
(2) On 28th May 1987, I stood state first in my state in Intermediate exams (higher secondary school exams). The annual TP chart of 1987-88 is cast at 12:31:29 am on 28th March 1987 (at birthplace). The event happened on 28th May, i.e. Jyeshtha Sukla Pratipat tithi. From Phalguna Krishna Chaturdasi to Jyeshtha Sukla Pratipat, it is 2+30+30+1=63 tithis (event happened at the end of Pratipat).
BB in the annual TP chart is at 4Pi26, i.e. 8.25% into the Uttarabhadra star. So 91.75% of the 19 tithis of Uttarachadra are left. Thus, progressed BB reaches the end of Uttarabhadra after 19x0.9175=17.5 tithis (approx). Revati (17), Aswini (7) and Bharani (20) cover the next 44 tithis. The count comes to 61.5 tithis (17.5+44). Now, 1.5 tithis corresponding to Krittika are left. Krittika belonging to Sun gets 6 tithis. So this is 1/4th of the star. Hence BB is around 0Ta0. Note that Mars is at 0Ta21 in that annual TP chart! Mars is the lord of the the 5th house of recognition and fame and he occupies the 6th house of success in competition!
In fact, if we progress BB non-linearly within a nakshatra too, we will realize that progressed BB is not at 0Ta0, but a little ahead!
* * *
Essentially, the progression I am talking of here is based on Tribhagi Vimsottari dasa!!! Find Tribhagi Vimsottari dasa started from BB and map each mahadasa to a star (an arc of 13.33 deg). Within a mahadasa, map each antardasa to an arc of length 13.333/9 deg. Within each antardasa, map each pratyantardasa to an arc of length 13.3333/81 deg. And so on. Finding the mahadasa, antardasa, pratyantardasa etc, we can find the longitude of progressed BB.
Dasas have a variable length (Sun dasa corresponding to Krittika is of 6 tithis and Venus dasa corresponding to Bharani is of 20 tithis), but they cover the same length in the zodiac (13 deg 20 min). Similarly, Sun antardasa in Sun dasa and Venus antardasa in Sun dasa have different lengths in terms of time, but they should cover the same length in the zodiac (1/9th of 13 deg 20 min).
This is where I strongly feel that Krishnamurthi (of KP) blundered. There may be many people who feel that his approach works, but, as I see, it is not based on sound logic. If stars of the same length in terms of degrees have different lengths in terms of dasa time, why can't the same thing apply to subs (divisions of stars based on antardasas)? What is the basis for dividing stars non-uniformly in the ratio of dasa/antardasa time? It is totally illogical. Something that is illogical cannot be correct no matter what thousands of people may say.
* * *
This is a hit or miss technique and IMHO not so useful practically. I do not use it in practical predictions. Though I use annual TP charts, I use TA dasa for timing within a year. I do not use this technique.
However, this kind of techniques should be investigated and refined. Jyotish is an ocean of techniques. Every drop of this ocean is worth studying.
* * *
I am cc'ing this mail to some other groups that may find this interesting.
BTW, I had a blessed trip to India. I visited 25 temples in south India and performed a Sata Chandi homam at a Kalikamba temple in the first week of March. Everything went great and I am back in US now.
May the light of Brahman shine within,
Narasimha
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--- In sohamsa@yahoogroups.com, "Sourav" <souravc108@...> wrote:
>
> || Hare Rama Krishna || Dear Srivastava-ji,
> namaskar. Thank you for intending to help me on this. No, I do not have
> the said pdf. I am aware of Ramadas-ji's son's marriage. I correspond
> with him regularly. I have read C. S. Patel's articles on Bhrigu Bindu
> transits. I was hoping to know more in our tradition (Sri Jagannatha
> Parampara) if Bhrigu Bindu is used. Similarly. I wanted to know if other
> similar bindu's can be defined: example, between Sun and Moon or Sun and
> Rahu etc. I have Pt. Santhanam's translation of Deva Keralam. If you
> find any suitable slokas refering to Chandra/Surya Upapada, it will help
> me if you can refer to sloka numbers. Thanks again. Best wishes,
> Sourav
Chandra upapada and Surya upapada are the arudha padas of the 12th house from Moon an Sun respectively. My guru Pt Sanjay Rath did teach me once what they are supposed to show, but I did not fully understand and hence do not want to talk about it.
When one does not fully understand what is shown by the 12 house from Moon and the 12th house from Sun, how can one understand what is shown by their arudha padas?
* * *
Regarding Bhrigu Bindus, I have something to say.
I found interesting results when I tried them in annual Tithi Pravesha charts (soli-lunar counterpart of Tajaka varshaphal charts of solar calendar).
What I did was to find the mid-point of Moon and Rahu (known as "Bhrigu bindu" or BB). Then I progressed it to cover 360 degrees in 360 tithis (soli-lunar days). However, I did not progress with a uniform speed. I progressed it non-linearly based on Vimsottari dasa years. For example, under Vimsottari dasa, Aswini star gives only 7 years while Bharani star gives 20 years. So I progressed BB by 360 deg within 360 tithis in the ratio of Vimsottari dasa years. For example, suppose BB is at the beginning of Aswini in the annual TP chart. Then it will cover Aswini star in the first 7 tithis after annual TP and cover Bharani star in the next 20 tithis and so on. As you cover all the 27 stars (i.e. 360 deg), you will then have finished 360 tithis! Thus, BB is progressed slowly in some areas of the zodiac and progressed fast in some other areas. It is a non-linear progression. I got good results only with this. With normal linear progression, the results are off by several degrees.
As BB is progressed using the above progression, what I found is that it touches important planetary positions (or 180 deg points from them) on the days of important events. Also, the planet being touched by progressed BB has a link to the event. Planet's position is not progressed from its position in the annual TP chart and only BB is.
I will give a couple of examples.
I will use my own chart. My birthdata is: 4th April 1970, 5:47:13 pm (IST), Machilipatnam, India (81e12, 16n15).
(1) On 10th Nov 1994, I left India and I have been away since then. The annual TP chart of 1994-95 is cast at 4:46:56 am (IST) on 9th April 1994 (at birthplace). Saturn is the 12th lord in 12th house at 14Aq23. He can show displacement from motherland. In fact, Saturn's annual Tithi Ashtottari dasa started on 5th Nov 1994 and that brought the move abroad.
The BB for the year is at 2Cp28. This falls in Uttarashadha star. If we count the tithis from the annual TP time to Nov 10 (i.e. from Phalguna Krishna Chaturdasi to Kartika Sukla Ashtami), we get about 219 tithis (2 tithis in Phalguna month, 30 each in Chaitra, Vaisakha, Jyeshtha, Ashadha, Sravana, Bhadrapada and Aswayuja months and 7 in Kartika month - event happened at the beginning of Ashtami). BB progresses thru the remaining part in Uttarashadha in 3 tithis. It progresses thru 9 stars from Sravanam till Krittika in the next 120 tithis. Thus, we get to the beginning of Rohini after 123 tithis. We have 219-123=96 tithis. Rohini (10), Mrigasira (7), Ardra (18), Punarvasu (16), Pushyami (19), Asresha (17) and Magha (7) cover 94 tithis out of the 96 tithis. So, at the time of the event, progressed BB is in Poorvashadha star and progressed 2/20=1/10th through the nakshatra. Poorvashada star starts at 13Le20. If we add 1/10th of a star, i.e. 1 deg 20 min, we get 14Le40. That is the longitude of progressed BB on 10th Nov. Interestingly, Saturn is at 14Aq23 in the annual TP chart! So the 180 deg point from progressed BB touches Saturn. As mentioned earlier, Saturn is the 12th lord 12th and shows leaving motherland.
(2) On 28th May 1987, I stood state first in my state in Intermediate exams (higher secondary school exams). The annual TP chart of 1987-88 is cast at 12:31:29 am on 28th March 1987 (at birthplace). The event happened on 28th May, i.e. Jyeshtha Sukla Pratipat tithi. From Phalguna Krishna Chaturdasi to Jyeshtha Sukla Pratipat, it is 2+30+30+1=63 tithis (event happened at the end of Pratipat).
BB in the annual TP chart is at 4Pi26, i.e. 8.25% into the Uttarabhadra star. So 91.75% of the 19 tithis of Uttarachadra are left. Thus, progressed BB reaches the end of Uttarabhadra after 19x0.9175=17.5 tithis (approx). Revati (17), Aswini (7) and Bharani (20) cover the next 44 tithis. The count comes to 61.5 tithis (17.5+44). Now, 1.5 tithis corresponding to Krittika are left. Krittika belonging to Sun gets 6 tithis. So this is 1/4th of the star. Hence BB is around 0Ta0. Note that Mars is at 0Ta21 in that annual TP chart! Mars is the lord of the the 5th house of recognition and fame and he occupies the 6th house of success in competition!
In fact, if we progress BB non-linearly within a nakshatra too, we will realize that progressed BB is not at 0Ta0, but a little ahead!
* * *
Essentially, the progression I am talking of here is based on Tribhagi Vimsottari dasa!!! Find Tribhagi Vimsottari dasa started from BB and map each mahadasa to a star (an arc of 13.33 deg). Within a mahadasa, map each antardasa to an arc of length 13.333/9 deg. Within each antardasa, map each pratyantardasa to an arc of length 13.3333/81 deg. And so on. Finding the mahadasa, antardasa, pratyantardasa etc, we can find the longitude of progressed BB.
Dasas have a variable length (Sun dasa corresponding to Krittika is of 6 tithis and Venus dasa corresponding to Bharani is of 20 tithis), but they cover the same length in the zodiac (13 deg 20 min). Similarly, Sun antardasa in Sun dasa and Venus antardasa in Sun dasa have different lengths in terms of time, but they should cover the same length in the zodiac (1/9th of 13 deg 20 min).
This is where I strongly feel that Krishnamurthi (of KP) blundered. There may be many people who feel that his approach works, but, as I see, it is not based on sound logic. If stars of the same length in terms of degrees have different lengths in terms of dasa time, why can't the same thing apply to subs (divisions of stars based on antardasas)? What is the basis for dividing stars non-uniformly in the ratio of dasa/antardasa time? It is totally illogical. Something that is illogical cannot be correct no matter what thousands of people may say.
* * *
This is a hit or miss technique and IMHO not so useful practically. I do not use it in practical predictions. Though I use annual TP charts, I use TA dasa for timing within a year. I do not use this technique.
However, this kind of techniques should be investigated and refined. Jyotish is an ocean of techniques. Every drop of this ocean is worth studying.
* * *
I am cc'ing this mail to some other groups that may find this interesting.
BTW, I had a blessed trip to India. I visited 25 temples in south India and performed a Sata Chandi homam at a Kalikamba temple in the first week of March. Everything went great and I am back in US now.
May the light of Brahman shine within,
Narasimha
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--- In sohamsa@yahoogroups.com, "Sourav" <souravc108@...> wrote:
>
> || Hare Rama Krishna || Dear Srivastava-ji,
> namaskar. Thank you for intending to help me on this. No, I do not have
> the said pdf. I am aware of Ramadas-ji's son's marriage. I correspond
> with him regularly. I have read C. S. Patel's articles on Bhrigu Bindu
> transits. I was hoping to know more in our tradition (Sri Jagannatha
> Parampara) if Bhrigu Bindu is used. Similarly. I wanted to know if other
> similar bindu's can be defined: example, between Sun and Moon or Sun and
> Rahu etc. I have Pt. Santhanam's translation of Deva Keralam. If you
> find any suitable slokas refering to Chandra/Surya Upapada, it will help
> me if you can refer to sloka numbers. Thanks again. Best wishes,
> Sourav
