From: Narasimha P.V.R. Rao
Date: 2008/7/19
Subject: [sohamsa] Re: Varnada Lagna
To: sohamsa@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [sohamsa] Re: Varnada Lagna
To: sohamsa@yahoogroups.com
Namaste,
The counting is only of rasis and not of longitudes. If you read BPHS, you will see that Parasara is unambiguous. He mentions how to find the "rasi" occupied by varnada lagna and does not describe any method to find "longitude" of varnada lagna. He talks about counting signs starting from Aries or Pisces and does not mention counting longitudes from the *end* of Pisces. He is clearly counting rasis. Thus, varnada lagna is like arudha lagna and does not have a longitude. It is found separately in each divisional chart.
I lost my copy of Upadesa Sutras of Sanjay and cannot verify what he gave. However, his personal teaching to me long back was to count signs only (and not longitudes). Even if he taught otherwise in his book, the bottomline, as far as I am concerned, there is no scope for ambiguity in Parasara's teaching.
One can do this longitude business even with arudha lagna. Suppose lagna is at 1 deg Li. Suppose Venus is at 29 deg Sc. You can say that Venus is 58 deg from lagna and add 58 deg to Venus and get 27 deg in Cp and claim that arudha lagna is at 27 deg Cp. However, that is incorrect. We take Venus to be in the 2nd house from lagna and taking 2nd house from him, we get arudha lagna in Sg. The same thing is true with varnada lagna.
In your first example, both are even. Counting back from Pi, we get counts of 3 (for Cp) and 5 (for Sc). Because both are based on count from Pi, we add them. We get 8. Counting the 8th sign back from Pi, we get Le. JHora reports the longitude degrees of lagna for all varnadas, but really varnada lagna has no longitude associated with it, just like arudha lagna.
Best regards,
Narasimha
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--- In sohamsa@yahoogroups.com, "Sonia Gupta" <soniagupta@...> wrote:
>
> Hare Rama Krishna
>
>
>
> Namaste Respected Members,
>
>
>
> Happy Shravan Masa !! Om Namah Shivaya !!!
>
>
>
>
>
> I am learning to calculate the Varnda Lagna and is following Updesa Sutras
> (Translated by Sanjay Ji). While doing the calculations manually, found that
> the Varnada Lagna I am getting after following the steps is not matching
> with the JHora Calculations. I tried many times to do the same thing. But no
> luck.
>
>
>
> I would really appreciate if learned members could please point me to the
> mistake I am doing in the calculations. I am copying two VL calculations in
> the email. Also I am attaching both of the charts.
>
>
>
>
>
> Varnada Lagna: Recommended Method from Jaimini Updesa Sutras ( Sanjay Rath
> Ji). Page 373
>
>
>
> Sonia Chart:
>
> Lagna:- Sc 16 Degrees (7s 16 Degrees)
> Hora Lagna:- Cp 21 Degrees (9s 21 Degrees)
>
> Step 1:
>
> If Lagna is in even sign then count reverse from Pisces.
> Lagna is Even so :- 360 - 7s 16 = 360 - 226 = 134 = 4s
> 14Degrees
>
> If Hora Lagna is in Even sign then count reverse from Pisces.
> Hora Lagna is Even so : 360 - 9s21 = 360 - 291 = 69 = 2s 9
> Degrees
>
> Step 2:
>
> If Lagna and Hora Lagna of same oddity then add both Lagna and Hora Lagna
> Both are Even So Lagna + Hora Lagna = 4s14 + 2s9 = 6s23
> Degrees.
>
> Step 3:
>
> If Lagna is in even sign then count the the resultant from Step 2 reverse
> from Pisces.
> Step 2 resultant is Even so :- 360 - 6s 23 = 360 - 203 =
> 157 = 5s 7Degrees
>
>
>
> So the Varnada Lagna comes to : Virgo 7 Degrees
>
> But JHora has Leo 16 Degrees.
>
>
>
> Harish Chart:
>
> Lagna:- Sc 23 Degrees (7s 23 Degrees)
> Hora Lagna:- Le 1 Degrees (4s 1 Degrees)
>
> Step 1:
>
> If Lagna is in even sign then count reverse from Pisces.
> Lagna is Even so :- 360 - 7s 23 = 360 - 233 = 127 = 4s 7
> Degrees
>
> If Hora Lagna is in Even sign then count reverse from Pisces.
> Hora Lagna is ODD So counting from Aries so It will be same
> 4s 1Degrees
>
> Step 2:
>
> If Lagna and Hora Lagna of same oddity then add both Lagna and Hora Lagna
> No Both are of different oddity
>
> If Lagna and Hora Lagna of different oddity then take the difference of
> both Lagna and Hora Lagna
> Lagna - Hora Lagna = 4s 7Degrees - 4s 1 Degrees = 6 Degrees OR Ar 6
> Degrees
>
> Step 3:
>
> If Lagna is in even sign then count the the resultant from Step 2 reverse
> from Pisces.
> Step 2 resultant is Even so :- 360 - 6 = 360 - 6 = 354 =
> 11s 24 Degrees
>
>
>
> So the Varnada Lagna comes to : Pisces 24 Degrees
>
> But JHora has Aries 23 Degrees.
>
>
>
>
>
> Eagerly waiting for the help.
>
>
>
> Thanks and Best Regards
>
> Sonia
>
>
> Hare Rama Krishna
>
>
>
> Namaste Respected Members,
>
>
>
> Happy Shravan Masa !! Om Namah Shivaya !!!
>
>
>
>
>
> I am learning to calculate the Varnda Lagna and is following Updesa Sutras
> (Translated by Sanjay Ji). While doing the calculations manually, found that
> the Varnada Lagna I am getting after following the steps is not matching
> with the JHora Calculations. I tried many times to do the same thing. But no
> luck.
>
>
>
> I would really appreciate if learned members could please point me to the
> mistake I am doing in the calculations. I am copying two VL calculations in
> the email. Also I am attaching both of the charts.
>
>
>
>
>
> Varnada Lagna: Recommended Method from Jaimini Updesa Sutras ( Sanjay Rath
> Ji). Page 373
>
>
>
> Sonia Chart:
>
> Lagna:- Sc 16 Degrees (7s 16 Degrees)
> Hora Lagna:- Cp 21 Degrees (9s 21 Degrees)
>
> Step 1:
>
> If Lagna is in even sign then count reverse from Pisces.
> Lagna is Even so :- 360 - 7s 16 = 360 - 226 = 134 = 4s
> 14Degrees
>
> If Hora Lagna is in Even sign then count reverse from Pisces.
> Hora Lagna is Even so : 360 - 9s21 = 360 - 291 = 69 = 2s 9
> Degrees
>
> Step 2:
>
> If Lagna and Hora Lagna of same oddity then add both Lagna and Hora Lagna
> Both are Even So Lagna + Hora Lagna = 4s14 + 2s9 = 6s23
> Degrees.
>
> Step 3:
>
> If Lagna is in even sign then count the the resultant from Step 2 reverse
> from Pisces.
> Step 2 resultant is Even so :- 360 - 6s 23 = 360 - 203 =
> 157 = 5s 7Degrees
>
>
>
> So the Varnada Lagna comes to : Virgo 7 Degrees
>
> But JHora has Leo 16 Degrees.
>
>
>
> Harish Chart:
>
> Lagna:- Sc 23 Degrees (7s 23 Degrees)
> Hora Lagna:- Le 1 Degrees (4s 1 Degrees)
>
> Step 1:
>
> If Lagna is in even sign then count reverse from Pisces.
> Lagna is Even so :- 360 - 7s 23 = 360 - 233 = 127 = 4s 7
> Degrees
>
> If Hora Lagna is in Even sign then count reverse from Pisces.
> Hora Lagna is ODD So counting from Aries so It will be same
> 4s 1Degrees
>
> Step 2:
>
> If Lagna and Hora Lagna of same oddity then add both Lagna and Hora Lagna
> No Both are of different oddity
>
> If Lagna and Hora Lagna of different oddity then take the difference of
> both Lagna and Hora Lagna
> Lagna - Hora Lagna = 4s 7Degrees - 4s 1 Degrees = 6 Degrees OR Ar 6
> Degrees
>
> Step 3:
>
> If Lagna is in even sign then count the the resultant from Step 2 reverse
> from Pisces.
> Step 2 resultant is Even so :- 360 - 6 = 360 - 6 = 354 =
> 11s 24 Degrees
>
>
>
> So the Varnada Lagna comes to : Pisces 24 Degrees
>
> But JHora has Aries 23 Degrees.
>
>
>
>
>
> Eagerly waiting for the help.
>
>
>
> Thanks and Best Regards
>
> Sonia
>
