Trouble from bad Tantriks and Preta and sprit sadhakas

> Dear Learned list members,
>
> Few people are fortunate to be fated to meet great yogis and
> sadhakas. But I am fated in a different way. I usually without any
> intension drawn to Tantriks and Preta and sprit sadhakas in disguise
> of jyotishi and holy persons. Some times they want to be my guru,
> after discovering their true nature I try to run away from them, but
> in the process rub their ego and turn them in enemy and to teach me a
> lession ( who powerfull they are ) tey will use their black powers on
> to me.
>
> In oher sphere of life too, I often cross the ways of people who have
> connetion to powerfull tantriks, and they will use their powers to
> harm me. |Couple of year back a lady used all possible magic to
> seperte me and my wife and kids so she cam marry me after that. It
> was a real hell for me and my family, they had to suffer a lot with
> me.
>
> I would like to understand it astrologically, why it is happning.
> Will this be THE trend for the rest of my life! ?
>
> I found no indication in my horoscope other than that " 5th and 9th
> from Atmakaraka in Navamasa are accupied/Aspected by all the planests
> except moon and Saturn."
>
> Pl. help.
>
> Date October 2,1969
> Time : 12:25 (no ratified)
> Place : 82E54 25N08
>
>Sripati

Namaste Mr Sripati,

Your 6th lord of enemies is Venus. Venus occupies A6 (satru pada) and shows "tangible enmities". The same Venus is in the 9th house, showing that some enmities can because of gurus. That Venus in 9th is afflicted by Ketu and Upaketu (an upagraha). Such an afflicted Venus can show tantriks.

The same Venus occupies Kantaka shashtyamsa. Kantaka means a thorn. A planet occupying that shashtyamsa basically carries with it the bad karma of being a thorn for someone in the past life. Thus, Venus will make someone else become a thorn for you in this life. Planets in good shashtyamsas carry good karma from past life/lives and planets in bad shashtyamsa carry bad karma from past life/lives. One reaps what one sows. That is why shashtyamsas occupied by planets were prominently mentioned by Parasara.

I mentioned "Moola dasa" earlier. This dasa was taught by Varahamihira and Kalyana Verma. They gave it more prominence than even Vimsottari dasa. Moola dasa is available in the free software "Jagannatha Hora 7.02" (check under "Other dasas" lower tab in the "Dasas" tab). In our tradition, this dasa is used to see when which past life karma fructifies. Moola means the "root". This dasa shows the root cause of whatever is happening in one's life. It shows which karma carried from past is behind a particular event.

But exalted Jupiter in navamsa lagna is "Sree Raama Raksha" for you. Your sense of dharma is pure and unaffected by these gurus.
If you want to see when afflicted Venus in 9th in Kantaka shashtyamsa will give his result and send tantrik gurus into your life who will turn inimical and become thorns, use Moola dasa. You can use JHora 7.02 and find that you are running the Moola dasa of Venus from October 1996 to October 2014. This is the time period when such things will happen.

From DK Moon in navamsa, Rahu is in the 8th house in Taurus. So Venus-Rahu antardasa (as per Moola dasa) during 2002-2004 can show some dark forces against the spouse. Rahu with Sun and Gulika can show tantrik forces.

This problem will be there in some form or the other till October 2014. But the peak is during 2001-2004 (antardasas of Ketu, Rahu and Saturn). The current Saturn antardasa is better than the previous antardasas of Ketu and Rahu.
Chara bhratri karaka shows gurus. Your BK is Sun and he is with Rahu and Gulika in navamsa. Thus, praying to Lord Dakshinamurthy will take you to a good guru. You may want to do sadhana of Sri Medha Dakshinamurthy.

Hope this helps.

BTW, how was May-June 2002?

May Jupiter's light shine on us,
Narasimha

Shree Narasimha,

Namaskar,

After reading your reply my reaction was "OH: GOD!". How accurately timing is predicted by mool dashs. As mentioned by you "Moola dasa of Venus from October 1996 to October 2014." I met first tantrik in my life in 1997. And also mentioned by you "peak is during 2001-2004 " is exactly true, and also the timing of " during 2002-2004 can show some dark forces against the spouse" is exactly true.

I bow to wisdom of Maharshis!! and Pranam to your parampara to keep the knowaledge of jyotisha safe against times.

> BTW, how was May-June 2002?

I am not able to clearly corelate events with time during that peroid. either I was praying or overpowered by sprits, spells. If corelate by season- It was summer and most of the times I was praying in a siddha pitha and the answer came...I was blessed, it was a period of major
spritial progress.

> Chara bhratri karaka shows gurus. Your BK is Sun and he is with
>Rahu and Gulika in navamsa. Thus, praying to Lord Dakshinamurthy
>will take you to a good guru. You may want to do sadhana of Sri
>Medha Dakshinamurthy.

I have been enough fortunate to meet many good gurus physically or .. (i dont take their names ) And follow Datatreya, and teachings of Matsyendra nath and Gorakh nath, kundalini and hence goddes form ..


Thank you very much.

Sripati.

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Namaste Sripati ji,

> After reading your reply my reaction was "OH: GOD!". How accurately
> timing is predicted by mool dashs.

Thanks for the feedback.

The only issue with dasas like Moola dasa is that there could be some missing links and our calculations could be wrong occasionally.

These dasas require comparing the strengths of planets. There are a lot of rules and we don't completely understand their basis. It is possible that there are some gaps in our understanding. When we don't understand the logical/philosophical basis of a rule, it is possible that we are missing some exceptions/subtleties that the Sages expected us to figure out ourselves.
Jyotish and other Vedic knowledge has deep philosophical basis.

The same applies to many rasi dasas and other special dasas taught by Parasara and Jaimini. It is quite possible that some subtle exceptions are missing from our understanding.

> I bow to wisdom of Maharshis!! and Pranam to your parampara to keep
> the knowaledge of jyotisha safe against times.

Thanks for the kind words. I am convinced these days that the knowledge of Jyotisha is safe by itself and does not need anybody to keep it safe. Knowledge is permanent and is always there. It becomes wide-spread when the time comes and become secretive when the time comes.

May Jupiter's light shine on us,
Narasimha

JG6765

Natal Chart

Date:          October 2, 1969
Time:          12:25:00 pm
Time Zone:     5:30:00 (East of GMT)
Place:         82 E 54' 00", 25 N 08' 00"
               , India
Altitude:      0.00 meters

Lunar Yr-Mo:   Saumya - Bhadrapada
Tithi:         Krishna Sapthami (Sa) (57.43% left)
Vedic Weekday: Thursday (Ju)
Nakshatra:     Mrigasira (Ma) (30.63% left)
Yoga:          Variyan (Ju) (89.56% left)
Karana:        Vishti (Sa) (14.87% left)
Hora Lord:     Saturn (5 min sign: Le)
Mahakala Hora: Saturn (5 min sign: Cn)
Kaala Lord:    Moon (Mahakala: Moon)

Sunrise:       5:54:23 am
Sunset:        5:40:59 pm
Janma Ghatis:  16.2755

Ayanamsa:      23-26-07.40
Sidereal Time: 13:09:53

Body                Longitude        Nakshatra Pada Rasi Navamsa

Lagna               11 Sg 52' 51.39" Mool      4    Sg   Cn
Sun - BK            15 Vi 28' 30.74" Hast      2    Vi   Ta
Moon - DK            2 Ge 34' 58.85" Mrig      3    Ge   Li
Mars - PiK          13 Sg 32' 12.02" PSha      1    Sg   Le
Mercury (R) - PK     9 Vi 33' 55.23" UPha      4    Vi   Pi
Jupiter - AK        21 Vi 20' 17.12" Hast      4    Vi   Cn
Venus - AmK         17 Le 43' 34.32" PPha      2    Le   Vi
Saturn (R) - MK     14 Ar 02' 34.89" Bhar      1    Ar   Le
Rahu - GK           26 Aq 39' 15.86" PBha      2    Aq   Ta
Ketu                26 Le 39' 15.86" PPha      4    Le   Sc
Maandi               4 Sc 06' 59.97" Anu       1    Sc   Le
Gulika              24 Li 31' 07.30" Visa      2    Li   Ta
Bhava Lagna         22 Sg 51' 40.77" PSha      3    Sg   Li
Hora Lagna           0 Ar 30' 51.67" Aswi      1    Ar   Ar
Ghati Lagna         23 Cp 28' 24.35" Dhan      1    Cp   Le
Vighati Lagna       18 Aq 16' 07.74" Sata      4    Aq   Pi
Varnada Lagna       11 Cp 52' 51.39" Aswi      1    Cp   Le
Sree Lagna          21 Le 37' 20.36" PPha      3    Le   Li
Pranapada Lagna     18 Ge 32' 08.60" Ardr      4    Ge   Pi
Indu Lagna           2 Sg 34' 58.85" Mool      1    Sg   Ar
Dhooma              28 Cp 48' 30.74" Dhan      2    Cp   Vi
Vyatipata            1 Ge 11' 29.26" Mrig      3    Ge   Li
Parivesha            1 Sg 11' 29.26" Mool      1    Sg   Ar
Indra Chapa         28 Cn 48' 30.74" Asre      4    Cn   Pi
Upaketu             15 Le 28' 30.74" PPha      1    Le   Le
Kaala               13 Sg 29' 56.99" PSha      1    Sg   Le
Mrityu               1 Aq 24' 29.18" Dhan      3    Aq   Li
Artha Prahara        0 Pi 34' 02.95" PBha      4    Pi   Cn
Yama Ghantaka       25 Vi 11' 02.26" Chit      1    Vi   Le
Prana Sphuta        23 Ar 55' 24.23" Bhar      4    Ar   Sc
Deha Sphuta         15 Pi 10' 58.10" UBha      4    Pi   Sc
Mrityu Sphuta        7 Vi 06' 21.82" UPha      4    Vi   Pi
Sookshma TriSphuta  16 Vi 12' 44.15" Hast      2    Vi   Ta
TriSphuta            8 Vi 58' 57.53" UPha      4    Vi   Pi
ChatusSphuta        24 Aq 27' 28.28" PBha      2    Aq   Ta
PanchaSphuta        21 Cp 06' 44.14" Srav      4    Cp   Cn
V2                  11 Aq 52' 51.39" Aswi      1    Aq   Vi
V3                  11 Ta 52' 51.39" Aswi      1    Ta   Sg
V4                  11 Ge 52' 51.39" Aswi      1    Ge   Ta
V5                  11 Vi 52' 51.39" Aswi      1    Vi   Ar
V6                  11 Li 52' 51.39" Aswi      1    Li   Ta
V7                  11 Cp 52' 51.39" Aswi      1    Cp   Sg
V8                  11 Aq 52' 51.39" Aswi      1    Aq   Vi
V9                  11 Ta 52' 51.39" Aswi      1    Ta   Le
V10                 11 Ge 52' 51.39" Aswi      1    Ge   Ta
V11                 11 Vi 52' 51.39" Aswi      1    Vi   Ar
V12                 11 Li 52' 51.39" Aswi      1    Li   Ta
Kunda                2 Sg 21' 22.34" Mool      1    Sg   Ar

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|GL         |                       |Ve   Ke    |
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|           |          D-9          |Ma   SaR   |
|           |                       |GL   Md    |
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|           |Ke         |Mo   AL    |Ve         |
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Moola Dasa (dasa showing the root of events - past karma):

 Maha Dasas:

 Merc: 1969-10-02 (12:25:00 pm) - 1974-10-02 (7:05:57 pm)
 Jup: 1974-10-02 (7:05:57 pm) - 1987-10-03 (3:07:28 am)
 Sun: 1987-10-03 (3:07:28 am) - 1992-10-02 (9:51:28 am)
 Mars: 1992-10-02 (9:51:28 am) - 1995-10-03 (4:22:00 am)
 Moon: 1995-10-03 (4:22:00 am) - 1996-10-02 (10:34:46 am)
 Ven: 1996-10-02 (10:34:46 am) - 2014-10-03 (1:08:07 am)
 Ket: 2014-10-03 (1:08:07 am) - 2018-10-03 (1:53:19 am)
 Rah: 2018-10-03 (1:53:19 am) - 2024-10-02 (2:45:57 pm)
 Sat: 2024-10-02 (2:45:57 pm) - 2034-10-03 (4:14:24 am)
 Merc: 2034-10-03 (4:14:24 am) - 2046-10-03 (6:01:32 am)
 Jup: 2046-10-03 (6:01:32 am) - 2049-10-03 (12:23:48 am)
 Sun: 2049-10-03 (12:23:48 am) - 2050-10-03 (6:37:16 am)
 Mars: 2050-10-03 (6:37:16 am) - 2054-10-03 (7:15:02 am)
 Moon: 2054-10-03 (7:15:02 am) - 2063-10-03 (2:36:37 pm)
 Ven: 2063-10-03 (2:36:37 pm) - 2065-10-03 (2:53:08 am)
 Ket: 2065-10-03 (2:53:08 am) - 2068-10-02 (9:18:50 pm)
 Rah: 2068-10-02 (9:18:50 pm) - 2080-10-02 (11:18:41 pm)
 Sat: 2080-10-02 (11:18:41 pm) - 2089-10-03 (6:30:24 am)


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Lord Krishna-Possible Chart

>  The traditional horoscope of Lord Krishna, the younger
> brother of  Balarama which has come down is described in
> Chaurasai Vaishnavan ki  Varta (in Vraj Bhasha, a dialect
> of Hindi) also basing it on   Garga Samhita where it is
> described as:
> About the birth of Lord Krishna, the astrological
> description given in Garga Samhita (Gita Press, page 28)
> is:
>  1. Bhadra Maas
>  2. Krishna Paksha
>  3. Rohini Nakshatra
>  4. Harshan Yoga
>  5. Ashtami Tithi
>  6. Vrisha Lagna
>  The horoscope is  Vrisha Lagna, with Moon and Ketu  in it,
> Sun in Simha, Mercury in Kanya, Venus and Saturn in Tula,
> Rahu in Vrischika, Mars in Makar, Jupiter in Meena.
>  Four exalted planets and  two in their own houses.       
>
> =====
> Yours sincerely,
> K.N.Rao.

Namaste Sir,

Using a computer, I searched from 5400 BC to 999 BC. I searched using Lahiri ayanamsa with a tolerance of 3 degrees. In other words, I searched using Lahiri ayanamsa and all ayanamsas that are upto 3 degrees higher or lower than Lahiri ayanamsa.

Even with a 6 degree variation in ayanamsa, the planetary position given by you never occurred in the time period searched!

The best match I got was 7 out of 9 planets. All the nine planets never occupied the positions given by you during 5400 BC - 999 BC.

When I searched for a Sri Krishna chart in the past, one interesting chart I found was: 4th June 4440 BC midnight (extrapolating Gregorian calendar). This chart has Harshana yoga, Rohini Moon in Taurus lagna, Rahu and Ketu in Virgo and Pisces, Venus in Libra in Devalokamsa in dasa vargas (and Poornachandramsa in shodasa vargas) and Saturn in Libra in Brahmalokamsa in dasa vargas (and Poornachandramsa in shodasa vargas), Jupiter and Mercury in Cancer, Sun in Leo and Mars in Scorpio. This chart has 3 exalted planets and 3 planets in own sign. This chart satisfies Parasara's condition on Vishnu's avataras, viz two raja yoga giving planets occupying atleast Devalokamsa (both). Lagna lord Venus and 9th/10th lord Saturn both occupy Devalokamsa or higher and they are within 34 arc-min from each other, giving a raja yoga of the highest order. Thus, this chart could belong to an avatara of Vishnu as per Parasara.

Though some scholars opine that Kali Yuga started as soon as Lord Krishna left this world, some scholars such as B. Suryanarain Rao argue that there could be a gap. They argue that Kali Yuga started after (and not "immediately" after) the Lord left. A gap of about 1,000 years is acceptable according to them.

This chart may or may not be the correct one, but it astronomically occurs and it satisfies Parasara's criterion on Vishnu's avataras and satisfies all the criteria given in Puranas.

May Jupiter's light shine on us,
Narasimha
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Simple Thumb Rules-Computing Bhoga rasi

Namaste Sushmita,

> Dear PVR,
> I appreciate this post. I would re-read it and reply by the night. Can you kindly point me out to the lesson number in ur audio MP3s which contain the lecture on Bhoga.
> On your website, other topics were mentioned, maybe you have used it in the examples.
>
> Warm regards,
>
> Sushmita

Unfortunately, I don't remember in which lesson I introduced this. But the concept of bhoga (counting from mahadasa lord to antardasa lord and counting the same signs from antardasa loord) is a standard principle I use in nakshatra dasa interpretation and you will find many examples if you listen to the audio lessons.

It is one of those simple thumb rules used by village pundits that work quite well.

Let me mention another simple thumb rule.

Village pundits count from the rasi position of a planet to its navamsa position. The number of signs gives the effective house of the planet. Suppose a planet is in Gemini rasi and Scorpio navamsa. It will give the 6th house results.

Though navamsa is a very important division because it shows poorva punya and the overall fortune, it's not the only division that exists. So you can extend this principle to other divisions, like D-10, D-16, D-20, D-24 etc.

For example, I have Saturn in Aries in rasi chart and in Leo in D-24 chart (learning). So Saturn gives the results of the 5th house in education. No wonder Saturn dasa gave me a lot of scholarship and fame.

I ran Saturn dasa from the age of 5 to the age of 24. I passed 2 examinations equivalent to BA degree in Sanskrit by the age of 11 and an exam equivalent to BA degree in Hindi by the age of 12. At 11, I was quite good in Sanskrit and could write poetry in classical meters. I stood first in my state in intermediate (12th class) and went to IIT-Madras, which is one of the best engineering institutes in India. I was second in my class there with a GPA of over 9 (out of 10). Overall, Saturn dasa was excellent for learning and gave me a lot of success in everything I tried to learn. There are several reasons, but the thumb rule also points in the same direction.

Take Sri K.N. Rao. He ran Mercury dasa from 1986 to 2003. He wrote and edited many books and articles in this dasa. In fact, he was the most prolific Indian Jyotish writer during this dasa. Why?

There are many reasons, but our thumb rule gives a decent pointer. Sri Rao has Mercury in Virgo in rasi chart and in Scorpio in D-10 and D-24. So Mercury gives the results of 3rd house (communications) in D-10 (activities in society) and D-24 (learning). No wonder he has been a prolific writer in this dasa!

There are many such simple thumb rules that are cool and work nicely. Unfortunately, astrologers who know these thumb rules are quite secretive about them and keep them to themselves.

If we want a renaissance in Jyotish knowledge in the coming few decades, we have to change this attitude.

May Jupiter's light shine on us,
Narasimha

Rudramsa Transits of India and Sri Lanka

Namaste friends,

In the past, I wrote about transits in divisional charts once. In particular, I talked about Rudramsa transits from the natal rasi charts of nations to see mass deaths.

In our tradition, we believe that Rudramsa (D-11) shows death and destruction. I have personally seen that transit of planets in divisions also matters.

I just want to give an example.

Sun, Mars and Ketu were transiting in a jala rasi (Scorpio) in D-11 on Dec 26, 2004. Scorpio happens to be a maraka rasi in the natal rasi charts of India and Sri Lanka (7th for India and 2nd for Sri Lanka).

As an another example, consider the morning of September 11, 2001. Venus, Mars and Saturn were transiting in Libra (an airy sign) in D-11 then. Venus afflicted by malefics can show destruction using vehicles. Libra is a maraka sthana from lagna in natal rasi chart if you use the Karve-Rao chart of USA.

If the maraka sthanas or any sensitive houses in the natal rasi chart of a nation are transited, in D-11, by a conglomeration of planets including evil planets, a bad event resulting in mass deaths seems to be a possibility.

As usual, the purpose of this small note is to inspire someone to take this up for a detailed research!

May Jupiter's light shine on us,
Narasimha

Divisional Vimsottari Dasa?

Namaste Vijay ji,

In our tradition, we use Narayana dasa in all the divisional charts. Narayana dasa is a generalization of chara dasa. We take the karyesha in rasi chart and take his place in the divisional chart to start the dasa (e.g. position in dasamsa of the 10th lord of rasi chart is used to find Narayana dasa of dasamsa).

I have seen some people computing planetary longitudes in divisional charts and computing different Vimsottari dasas in different divisions, using the divisional longitudes. There is some basis for this. Parasara defined the exaltation and debilitation of some planets to occur in parts of signs, i.e. between certain degrees, and not in the entire sign. For example, if Mercury is in Virgo, he may or may not be exalted. He is exalted only in the first 15 degrees. But Parasara referred to planets being exalted or debilitated in divisional charts also! So case can be made that planets have longitudes in divisional charts also.

After all, computation of some charts such as navamsa-navamsa (D-81), navamsa-dwadasamsa (D-108), dwadasamsa-dwadasamsa (D-144) is based on treating the sign occupied by a planet in a divisional chart (e.g. navamsa or dwadasamsa) as if it was a sign in rasi chart and finding further divisions in it! Thus, there is basis for treating a planet's placement in a divisional chart as if it were a placement in rasi chart and finding a longitude for it.

If there is a divisional longitude, there can be a nakshtra too. Naturally then, there can be a Vimsottari dasa too.

However, we have to understand what the divisional nakshatra means. The rasi chart is based on physical zodiac and it shows the physical existence. The divisional charts are not based on the physical zodiac and are abstract. Similarly, the divisional charts do not show the physical existence. They show various abstract environments which influence one's physical existence (rasi chart). The rasi position of Moon shows the physical mind. Vimsottari dasa traces its progression with time. If you are not talking about the physical mind but talking about an abstract aspect of the mind (e.g. mind as applied to professional matters), will the same progression work? What is its meaning?

I did dabble a bit with divisional Vimsottari dasas, but I am happy using the normal rasi based Vimsottari dasa and judging the same dasa using various divisional charts.

But for those who want to do research, I have given the ability to find Vimsottari dasa using the divisional longitude in any divisional charts in the commercial version of my software.

BTW, I found the divisional nakshatras useful when analyzing transits using SarvatoBhadra Chakra. SBC is a fine technique for judging transits. Using the natal divisional nakshatras of planets and finding vedhas on them by transit rasi nakshatras of planets, I found very interesting results.

For example, my Jupiter is at 9Li46. He is in the 10th house in D-24, with a subhargala on arudha lagna. In D-24, this translates to 24Pi24 in D-24 and means Revati star. When Jupiter was transiting in Revati and Moon and Mercury had vedha on Revati from Mrigasira in SBC (the two planets associated with the 5th from arudha lagna in D-24), I stood state first in my state in intermediate exams and was selected for IIT-Chennai.

In my natal dasamsa, Moon is the only planet in the 11th from arudha lagna. He shows the earnings. He is at 28Aq33 and this translates to 15Sc30 in D-10. This means Anuradha star. When Mercury and Venus were transiting in Anuradha star in Dec 1993, I started in my first job. When Sun and Mars were in Asresha having vedha in SBC on Anuradha on 2002 Aug 12, I lost my job. The startup I was working for went into hybernation mode and laid off almost the whole engineering team. Please note that Sun and Mars are the 12th and 8th lords in natal dasamsa. Later that year, when Jupiter moved to Asresha and Venus into Visakha and both had vedha on Anuradha in SBC, I joined another job.

May Jupiter's light shine on us,
Narasimha

Too many mundane charts: What, when and how?

By Shree Narasimha P.V.R. Rao"
Namaste friends,

There was a discussion on fortnightly charts yesterday.

Students may be overwhelmed by the myriad mundane charts that exist - various annual charts, monthly charts and fortnightly charts. When to use what and what to see in each chart may be confusing. I want to shed some light on that based on my experience. I also want to talk about a simple rasi dasa that I never talked about before.

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INSIGHTS INTO MUNDANE CHART APPLICATION

(c) 2005 P.V.R. Narasimha Rao, Sri Jagannath Centre
The material below is copyrighted by P.V.R. Narasimha Rao. You may not reproduce it in part or in full in any form without written permission from the author.

Parasara taught at the beginning of BPHS about the time periods governed by planets. For example, Sun governs the division of time into ayanas (half-years); Jupiter governs the division of time into months (fortnights); Saturn governs the division of time into years, and so on.

Did you ever wonder what that means? Did you ever wonder how to use that information?

Well, one of its uses is in prasna (horary astrology), in timing events from prasna chart. The other use is in understanding the basis behind various mundane charts like paksha chakras, maasa chakras and varsha chakras.

The division of time into fortnights is governed by Venus. So paksha chakras (fortnightly charts) throw light on jala tattva matters and matters signified by Venus. Financial markets, material prosperity, happiness or lack of it, harmony and well-being of society, rains and weather are the focus of fortnightly charts. Make the New Moon and Full Moon charts every fortnight at the capital of a nation and study them to see the results for a fortnight.

The division of time into ayanas (half-years) is governed by Sun. So ayana chakras (half-yearly charts) throw light on agni tattva matters and matters signified by Sun. Political developments are the focus of half-yearly charts.

Thus, fortnightly charts, monthly charts, half-yearly charts and annual charts are all useful. Each is seen for a specific purpose and hence there is no clash or confusion between various charts.

Many dasas are applicable when compressed to the period of the chart, but the dasa that works the best in my experience is Sama Narayana dasa. Find it like Narayana dasa, but use equal dasas rather than the normal chara dasa lengths used in Narayana dasa! Mu guru Pt Sanjay Rath taught me this dasa in the context of annual Tithi Pravesha chakras and said I could find the months of important events using it. I found it applicable in mundane charts.

I will illustrate this using examples!

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EXAMPLE 1

Event: Terrorist attack on 11 September 2001 morning in USA
Previous Fortnightly Chart: 2 September 2001, 5:43:44 pm (EDT), Washington DC
Duration of the Fortnight: 14.5307 civil days (or 15 tithis)

Make the chart. You will see that Mars and Ketu are in the 12th house in Sagittarius with Mandi and Gulika. This can show a loss caused by a secret enemy (12th) who is violent and fanatical (Mars and Ketu). Compress the dasas and get

Sama Narayana Dasa of D-1 chart (a versatile phalita rasi dasa):

Cn: 2001-09-02 (17:43:44) - 2001-09-03 (22:54:01)
Ge: 2001-09-03 (22:54:01) - 2001-09-05 (4:03:10)
Ta: 2001-09-05 (4:03:10) - 2001-09-06 (9:11:13)
Ar: 2001-09-06 (9:11:13) - 2001-09-07 (14:18:04)
Pi: 2001-09-07 (14:18:04) - 2001-09-08 (19:23:43)
Aq: 2001-09-08 (19:23:43) - 2001-09-10 (0:28:09)
Cp: 2001-09-10 (0:28:09) - 2001-09-11 (5:31:14)
Sg: 2001-09-11 (5:31:14) - 2001-09-12 (10:33:02) <<<<
Sc: 2001-09-12 (10:33:02) - 2001-09-13 (15:33:34)
Li: 2001-09-13 (15:33:34) - 2001-09-14 (20:32:55)
Vi: 2001-09-14 (20:32:55) - 2001-09-16 (1:31:00)
Le: 2001-09-16 (1:31:00) - 2001-09-17 (6:27:56)

The attack came in Sg dasa (12th house) containing Mars, Ketu and Mandi. Mars is at 3 deg 18 min in the sign Sg. So his result comes roughly after 3/30, i.e. 1/10th of the dasa, is over. This means about 3 hours from the beginning of dasa. This gives around 8:30-9:00 am on 11 Sept 2001.

The fortnightly chart does not show a terrorist attack per se. It shows lack of peace in the country, shock in country, financial turmoil in the country as a result of the terrorist attack.

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EXAMPLE 2

Event: Babri masjid demolition in Ayodhya, India on 6 December 1992
Previous Fortnightly Chart: 24 November 1992, 2:41:57 pm (IST, New Delhi
Duration of the Fortnight: 15.6037 civil days (or 15 tithis)

Make the chart. You will see that Rahu is in the 9th house of religion with debilitated 5th lord Moon, 6th lord Sun and badhakesha Mercury. Affliction of 5tjh lord Moon by Rahu shows mass hysteria. Affliction of Sun by Rahu shows political turmoil and intrigue. Affliction of 6th lord by Rahu in 9th shows communal clashes. Placement of badhakesha in 9th shows destruction of religious places (textbook result of badhakesha in 9th: "breaking of idols") and religious problems.

With all these planets, clearly Scorpio, 9th house of religion, is the house of trouble. Now look at the compressed Sama Narayana dasa.

Sama Narayana Dasa of D-1 chart (a versatile phalita rasi dasa):

Vi: 1992-11-24 (14:41:57) - 1992-11-25 (20:00:46)
Cp: 1992-11-25 (20:00:46) - 1992-11-27 (2:17:07)
Ta: 1992-11-27 (2:17:07) - 1992-11-28 (9:33:55)
Ge: 1992-11-28 (9:33:55) - 1992-11-29 (17:45:53)
Li: 1992-11-29 (17:45:53) - 1992-12-01 (2:38:13)
Aq: 1992-12-01 (2:38:13) - 1992-12-02 (11:47:43)
Pi: 1992-12-02 (11:47:43) - 1992-12-03 (20:47:06)
Cn: 1992-12-03 (20:47:06) - 1992-12-05 (5:11:04)
Sc: 1992-12-05 (5:11:04) - 1992-12-06 (12:41:38) <<<<
Sg: 1992-12-06 (12:41:38) - 1992-12-07 (19:10:23)
Ar: 1992-12-07 (19:10:23) - 1992-12-09 (0:37:52)
Le: 1992-12-09 (0:37:52) - 1992-12-10 (5:11:17)

It was in the dasa of Scorpio that the kar sevaks started the demolition. Rahu is close to 29 deg in Sc. So his result comes around when 29/30 of the dasa is over. So it comes in the last hour of the dasa. The demolition started shortly after noon.

Next dasa Sg is is the 10th house and contains 8th lord Venus. Next day, central and state governments came under heavy criticism.

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EXAMPLE 3

Event: Tremendous political pressure on Musharraf following 11 September 2001
Previous half-yearly (ayana pravesha) chart: 16 July 2001, 12:19:43 pm, Islamabad
Duration of the Half year: 181.894 civil days (or 180 deg motion of Sun)

Being an ayana level chart, it shows political developments - power manuevres and policy changes.

In this chart, Virgo rises. The 10th house of leadership, Gemini, has lagna and 10th lord Mercury, afflicted by Rahu within 1 degree. Badhakesha Jupiter also afflicts Mercury.

This shows powerful foreign influences (Rahu) coming on the nation (lagna lord) and its leadership (10th lord) during the year and moulding the policies of the government (10th house).

The Sama Narayana dasa calculations are shown below:

Sama Narayana Dasa of D-1 chart (a versatile phalita rasi dasa):

Vi: 2001-07-16 (12:19:44) - 2001-08-01 (5:09:49)
Cp: 2001-08-01 (5:09:49) - 2001-08-16 (20:40:26)
Ta: 2001-08-16 (20:40:26) - 2001-09-01 (9:56:50)
Ge: 2001-09-01 (9:56:50) - 2001-09-16 (20:35:18) <<<<
Li: 2001-09-16 (20:35:18) - 2001-10-02 (4:09:08)
Aq: 2001-10-02 (4:09:08) - 2001-10-17 (8:33:26)
Pi: 2001-10-17 (8:33:26) - 2001-11-01 (9:52:26)
Cn: 2001-11-01 (9:52:26) - 2001-11-16 (8:22:49)
Sc: 2001-11-16 (8:22:49) - 2001-12-01 (4:34:33)
Sg: 2001-12-01 (4:34:33) - 2001-12-15 (23:02:22)
Ar: 2001-12-15 (23:02:22) - 2001-12-30 (16:31:41)
Le: 2001-12-30 (16:31:41) - 2002-01-14 (9:47:05)

Gemini is the sign we talked about earlier. Its dasa ran from Sept 1 to Sept 16. Shortly after the September 11 attacks, US government put tremendous pressure on Musharraf government to turn against Taliban and co-operate in the "war on terror". On September 13, Colin Powell called Musharraf and gave a specific list of demands. On September 14, Musharraf's cabinet and national security council met in Pakistan and decided to agree to US demands. On September 15, Powell publicly confirmed that Pakistan agreed to co-operate. On the same day, Bush called Musharraf to than him.

Thus, foreign pressure and the process of change in policy started in Gemini dasa.

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CONCLUSION

Each type of mundane charts (fortnightly, monthly, semi-annual and annual charts) has a specific focus area that is governed by the rulership of planets over the division of time into various units. As the examples above show, Sama Narayana dasa works well with mundane charts. As I showed in another mail, compressed nakshatra dasas also give good results. But the dasa I discussed above is my favorite.

A lot of what I wrote above is my own research, but it is based on the teachings of tradition. My contribution was to make sense of the teachings of tradition and put the pieces together, rather than creating new pieces.

May Jupiter's light shine on us,
Narasimha

Ashtakavarga Research

Sri Panchami: Ashtakavarga Research
By Shree PVR Narasimha Rao
There was a discussion on samudaya ashtakavarga (SAV) a while ago. Someone gave a few counter-examples to some standard SAV principles. For example, Bill Gates has scores of 24, 27 and 27 in 9th, 10th and 11th houses. Successful people like him are expected to have scores over 30 in those 3 houses.

I said at that time that there may be errors in standard understanding of SAV. I also said I did some research and will share it with others when the time comes.

Today is Magha Sukla Panchami. It is known as "Sri Panchami" and a day supposed to be dear to goddess Saraswathi (the goddess of knowledge). She is worshipped today. On this auspicious day, I have decided to bow to Her and share my research finding with the Jyotish community. You don't have to accept it or even test it. If you get the inspiration from inside, you may try it and see how it works. I do expect people to resist my idea, as what I am saying is different from what everybody else taught until now.

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When finding the strengths of various houses in SAV, people normally consider houses from lagna alone. Suppose lagna is in Gemini. Then, to see the strength of 9th house, the 9th from Gemini (i.e. Aq) is taken and scores in Aq in all the eight ashtakavargas are aggregated. Aq may be the 2nd house from Sun, 5th house from Moon, 7th house from Jupiter and so on. Still, scores in Aq in all the eight bhinna ashtakavargas (BAV) are added up. This is somehow supposed to give an indication of how strong the 9th house is overall.

The whole idea of ashtakavarga is that lagna is not the only reference. Seven planets can be used as references along with lagna. When that is the whole idea, how logical is it to take the houses from lagna alone when finding the strengths of houses?

Aren't the 9th houses from Sun, Moon, Mars, Mercury, Jupiter, Venus and Saturn good for nothing? Should the strength of the 9th house be decided solely based on the 9th house from lagna? When we say "the 9th house" are we to totally ignore the 9th houses from other references, or is the "9th house" a combination of all the eight 9th houses?

My idea was to add the score in the 9th house from Sun in Sun's BAV, the score in the 9th house from Moon in Moon's BAV, the score in the 9th house from Mars in Mars's BAV and so on, to see the strength of the 9th house. This total is a reflection of how strong the 9th house is overall. The overall 9th house in a chart is combination the eight 9th houses (from lagna, Sun, Moon etc)!

This is very simple and you can do the calculations manually. But, if you need a software, this variation will be available in version 7.0 of Jagannatha Hora software planned to be released on Magha Pournima (2005 Feb 23). I will make this calculation available in the free version.

In Bill Gates case, the scores in 9th, 10th and 11th houses using this approach are not 24, 27 and 27. They are 31, 34 and 37.

I have used this reckoning of house strengths using SAV in many natal charts and dasa pravesha charts and was satisfied. If my idea sounds appealing to you, please feel free to try it.

By the way, ashtakavarga can be found in divisional charts. You may try this approach of assessing the strengths of houses using SAV in divisional charts also.

May Jupiter's light shine on us,
Narasimha

Bill Gates



Natal Chart



Date:          October 26, 1955

Time:          9:17:59 pm

Time Zone:     8:00:00 (West of GMT)

Place:         122 W 20' 30", 47 N 36' 32"

               Spokane, Washington, USA

Altitude:      0.00 meters



Lunar Yr-Mo:   Manmatha - Aswayuja

Tithi:         Sukla Ekadasi (Ma) (36.42% left)

Vedic Weekday: Wednesday (Me)

Nakshatra:     Satabhishak (Ra) (19.46% left)

Yoga:          Dhruva (Ke) (96.14% left)

Karana:        Vishti (Sa) (72.84% left)

Hora Lord:     Mercury (5 min sign: Sc)

Mahakala Hora: Moon (5 min sign: Le)

Kaala Lord:    Sun (Mahakala: Mars)



Sunrise:       6:48:49 am

Sunset:        4:57:23 pm

Janma Ghatis:  36.2152



Ayanamsa:      23-14-40.97

Sidereal Time: 23:27:48



Body                Longitude        Nakshatra Pada Rasi Navamsa



Lagna               24 Ge 00' 05.50" Puna      2    Ge   Ta

Sun - PK             9 Li 46' 32.17" Swat      1    Li   Sg

Moon - MK           17 Aq 24' 19.51" Sata      4    Aq   Pi

Mars - PiK          15 Vi 34' 48.06" Hast      2    Vi   Ta

Mercury - BK        21 Vi 36' 48.78" Hast      4    Vi   Cn

Jupiter - GK         4 Le 15' 32.36" Magh      2    Le   Ta

Venus - AmK         24 Li 28' 05.59" Visa      2    Li   Ta

Saturn - AK         28 Li 07' 10.08" Visa      3    Li   Ge

Rahu - DK           26 Sc 20' 03.43" Jye       3    Sc   Aq

Ketu                26 Ta 20' 03.43" Mrig      1    Ta   Le

Maandi              11 Vi 23' 38.91" Hast      1    Vi   Ar

Gulika               1 Vi 45' 07.12" UPha      2    Vi   Cp

Bhava Lagna         16 Ta 27' 53.88" Rohi      2    Ta   Ta

Hora Lagna          23 Sg 45' 22.65" PSha      4    Sg   Sc

Ghati Lagna         15 Li 37' 48.95" Swat      3    Li   Aq

Vighati Lagna        5 Sc 00' 00.46" Anu       1    Sc   Le

Varnada Lagna       24 Pi 00' 05.50" Aswi      1    Pi   Sg

Sree Lagna          13 Ar 56' 52.17" Bhar      1    Ar   Le

Pranapada Lagna      5 Sc 36' 07.52" Anu       1    Sc   Le



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|Mo         |                       |           |

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|-----------|         Rasi          |-----------|

|           |                       |Ju         |

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|HL         |Ra         |Su   Ve    |Ma   Me    |

|           |           |Sa   GL    |Md   Gk    |

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Ashtakavarga of Rasi Chart:



	Ar	Ta	Ge	Cn	Le	Vi	Li	Sc	Sg	Cp	Aq	Pi

As	4	2	4*	5	4	4	3	5	6	5	4	3

Su	7	5	5	5	4	3	3	5	3	4	1	3

Mo	5	2	4	5	6	2	2	5	5	3	5	5

Ma	4	3	4	6	4	2	2	2	3	3	2	4

Me	3	5	7	6	4	5	3	5	3	5	3	5

Ju	3	3	7	5	4	5	6	4	6	2	5	6

Ve	3	7	5	5	5	3	3	3	5	5	6	2

Sa	4	2	4	5	6	2	1	3	3	3	3	3

	29	27	36	37	33	22	20	27	28	25	25	28



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One powerful raja yoga is far better than ten weak raja yogas

Reply By Shree PVR Narasimha Rao

Narasimha gAru,
I had checked the yOgas in JH for D-10 of Bill Gates and it doesn't seem to show any strong Raja or any Dhana yOga in the chart. The details I'm using for Bill Gates are 28 Oct 1955, 9:15pm (-8:00 West of GMT), Seattle, Washington. The Rasi chart does indicate many yOgas for wealth though. I'd be glad if you can throw some light on these yOgas.
thanks and rgds
-Prasad

Namaste Prasad garu,

When you look at raja yogas, the number of raja yogas present in a chart is irrelevant. One powerful raja yoga is far better than ten weak raja yogas.

The D-10 of Bill Gates has Aq rising (Pt Sanjay Rath prefers to use Pi lagna in D-10, but I use Aq lagna).

The 4th and 9th lord Venus and 5th lord Mercury are in samasaptaka and they form a powerful raja yoga. This raja yoga occurs on the 5th/11th axis and is very powerful. The aspect in dasamsa between these planets is strong. Based on their advancements within the dasamsa, we can conclude that they aspect each other within 1/5th of the dasamsa (equivalent to 6 deg in the case of rasi).

Moreover, Venus and Mercury are friends and a raja yoga between them is far more powerful than, say, a raja yoga between Mars and Saturn.

A lot of people have raja yogas in their rasi charts and D-10 charts. Not all raja yogas are created equal. When teaching raja yogas, Parasara taught us in BPHS to look at the vaiseshikamsas of planets in raja yoga and judge the yoga. If the two planets in raja yoga are in vaiseshikamsas, then the raja yoga is really powerful. If the two planets are in parijatamsa, one becomes a king. If they are in Uttamamsa, one becomes a powerful king. If they are in Gopuramsa, one becomes an emperor. If they are in Simhasanamsa, one becomes a great emperor like Dharmaraja, Salivahana etc. These are the results given by Parasara and examples are also his.

In the case of Bill Gates, Mercury occupies Uttamamsa (3/10) and Venus occupies Gopuramsa (4/10). That makes the raja yoga far more powerful and more special than ordinary raja yogas.

Interestingly, he ran Venus dasa from 1982-2002.

BTW, you can get vaiseshikamsas (as per dasa varga, shodasa varga, shadvarga and sapta varga) in JHora 7.02. See the "strengths" main tab, "other strengths" bottom tab and the middle window.By default, that window shows Vimsopaka balas based on various varga schemes. Get the pop-up menu and select "vaiseshikamsas".

May Jupiter's light shine on us,
Narasimha

Bill Gates

Natal Chart

Date:          October 26, 1955
Time:          9:17:59 pm
Time Zone:     8:00:00 (West of GMT)
Place:         122 W 20' 30", 47 N 36' 32"
               Seattle, Washington, USA
Altitude:      0.00 meters

Lunar Yr-Mo:   Manmatha - Aswayuja
Tithi:         Sukla Ekadasi (Ma) (36.42% left)
Vedic Weekday: Wednesday (Me)
Nakshatra:     Satabhishak (Ra) (19.46% left)
Yoga:          Dhruva (Ke) (96.14% left)
Karana:        Vishti (Sa) (72.84% left)
Hora Lord:     Mercury (5 min sign: Sc)
Mahakala Hora: Moon (5 min sign: Le)
Kaala Lord:    Sun (Mahakala: Mars)

Sunrise:       6:48:49 am
Sunset:        4:57:23 pm
Janma Ghatis:  36.2152

Ayanamsa:      23-14-40.97
Sidereal Time: 23:27:48
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|Mo         |                       |           |
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|           |                       |           |
|           |                       |           |
|-----------|         Rasi          |-----------|
|           |                       |Ju         |
|           |                       |           |
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|-----------+-----------------------+-----------|
|HL         |Ra         |Su   Ve    |Ma   Me    |
|           |           |Sa   GL    |Md   Gk    |
|           |           |           |AL         |
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|Ra   GL    |           |Gk         |Ve         |
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|As         |                       |Mo   Sa    |
|           |                       |HL         |
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|           |        Dasamsa        |           |
|-----------|                       |-----------|
|Su         |         D-10          |Md         |
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|Me   AL    |           |Ma         |Ju   Ke    |
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Varga scheme to use when and D-60

Reply By Shree PVR Narasimha Rao

Condensed Question by Prasad and Ranjan:

what is being asked perhaps is the underlying rationale behind these groupings:

Shadvarga: D-1 D-2 D-3 D-9 D-12 D-30
Sapta varga: D-1 D-2 D-3 D-7 D-9 D-12 D-30
Dasa varga: D-1 D-2 D-3 D-7 D-9 D-10 D-12 D-16 D-30 D-60
Shodasa varga: D-1 D-2 D-3 D-4 D-7 D-9 D-10 D-12 D-16 D-20 D-24 D-27 D-30 D-40 D-45 D-60.

In the context of judging the strength of raja yogas using vaiseshikamsas, Parasara seems to have exclusively used Dasa varga. In fact,several yogas given in classics employ dasa varga. So, we can conclude that dasa varga is vital in natal horoscopy.

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Regarding when to use which varga scheme, here are my two cents. [Warning: This knowledge is from our tradition and not from any classic.]

Some people suggest that we can choose the varga scheme we like and use it. It does not make sense to me. After all, vimsopaka bala computed as per one varga scheme may show a planet as being strong and another scheme may show it as average. Which one should prevail? Are we to arbitrarily pick a varga scheme when we judge the vimsopaka bala based strength of a planet?

What I was taught is that the varga scheme to be picked depends on the purpose. In horary astrology (prasna), we use only shadvarga. In electional horoscopy (muhurta) and mundane horoscopy, we use sapta varga. In manushya jataka (individual natal horoscopy), we use dasa varga. In raaja jataka (royal horoscopy), we use shodasa varga.

Thus, depending on which horoscopy we are doing, the varga scheme is fixed and we have little choice.

Let us take the example of D-40 and D-45. According to our tradition, they show the karma inherited from the ancestors of parents. Inherited ancestral karma from the maternal side is seen in D-40 and that from the paternal side is seen in D-45.

These charts may be useful in the charts of normal human beings, but they become much more useful in royal horoscopy. Why? Any good or bad karma done by kings are in great magnitudes. One king may have constructed 20 temples and several generations may receive great blessings because of that! One king may have engaged in an unjust war that killed tens of thousands of people. His descendants will suffer the consequences of that evil deed for a few generations!

Thus, D-40 and D-45 are included in shodasa varga and receive importance when we find vimsopaka bala in royal horoscopes. In horoscopes of normal people, they become less important and not used in vimsopaka bala.

As another example, take D-60. This is the chart that shows the past life and the karma carried over from the past life. While rasi chart shows physical existence and other divisional charts show various environments in which one leads one's existence (e.g. financial environment (D-2), professional environment (D-10), spiritual environment (D-20), educational environment (D-24) etc), D-60 shows the left-over karma that is to be experienced. The rasi chart and other divisional charts are merely the medium through which the karma shown in D-60 is experienced. But the karma to be experienced itself is seen from D-60.

Thus, D-60 is an important chart only for human beings. In prasna, muhurta etc, it is not so important. So, when we judge the strength of a planet using vimsopaka bala in prasna and muhurta, we use shadvarga and sapta varga and ignore D-60. But, when we judge the strength of a planet using vimsopaka bala in a natal horoscope, we use dasa varga and the strength in D-60 is used. Not only is the strength in D-60 used, but it gets more weightage than the weightages given to rasi and navamsa together!!! Parasara gives a weightage of 5 for D-60, a weightage of 3 for rasi and a weightage of 1.5 for navamsa. After all, the karma to be experienced itself (D-60) is more important than the physical existence (rasi) and the dharmik environment (navamsa), thru which the karma is to be experienced! Even in royal horoscopy, past karma is important and hence D-60 gets higher strength than rasi and navamsa in shodasa varga too. But the same D-60 is completely missing in shadvarga and sapta varga and I have already given the reason.

You can read the chapter on vimsopaka bala and look at the strengths given to various divisional charts under various varga schemes by Parasara. It will be very instructive to ponder over those numbers!

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Now, ask yourself a simple question. Most of us completely ignore D-60, the chart that received a heigher weightage in Parasara's vimsopaka bala calculation than rasi and navamsa together! Also, when Parasara taught which matters should be seen in which divisional chart, D-60 is the chart in which he recommended seeing "everything" ("shashtyamse(a)khilameekshayet"). All that suggests that this is the most important varga. Why do most of us ignore this chart then? Is it because this chart is sensitive to birthtime changes and lagna changes once in every 2 min? is it because of complacency or simplicity? Can we expect perfect readings and a scientific astrology without being able to fix the birthtime within a 2 minute window? Can shashtyamsa alone make a difference to one's fortune? (BTW, I know one case of twins who have 15 divisional charts other than D-60 matching and only D-60 being different!)

As I always like saying, one who doesn't ask questions never finds the answers!

I'll try to sleep early tonight. Good night!

May Jupiter's light shine on us,
Narasimha

Gulika And Mandi

HI,
I'm a novice astrologer. Can somebody please tell me how to calculate
the positions of Mandi And Gulika in a Horoscope. I'm looking for the
procedure for the calculation.
Regards,
Anand

Jaya Jagannatha
Dear Anand
Before doing the calculations for these points les know what they are - they are supposed to be the sons of Saturn, and like this the other planets also have children. In Jyotish children refer to a part or amsa of the parent. So if the parent can have different definitions then the children will also be defined differently and there can be many.
Now of the time scales, one of them is called a kala and this divides the day into 16 parts - more specifically 8 parts for day and 8 parts for night. Think of the number '8' and the 8th house of transformation, past karma catching up and such things. The children of the planets when they rule such parts will be doig their job related to the 8th house. For example, the son of Saturn called Gulika is responsible for our birth and plays a crucial role in adhana (conception time calculation) as we are born due to our sins (Saturn) and Gulika is the poison we must consume in this life as a burning for our sins.
The rest you can get from standard texts.
With best wishes and warm regards,
Sanjay Rath

Mundane astrology-Shree Gopal Krishnan

By Shree Gopal Krishnan

hello list members,

there has been request from few people to post my views on mundane astrology. i have written this piece based on that request. i will reply if there is geninue query if some kind of mud slinging is done i will bless those and pray god for them to have right frame of mind. nowhere i have intended to put down any astrologer or jyotish system or any school. in terms of volume , accuracy range i will easily rank the best among the indian astrologers though i donot have huge school or any assocation. happy reading.

bye

gopal

Mundane astrology

This is a branch of astrology which is used to predict the events of nations. Of course nations donot marry or have children there fore the houses schemes need to be modified. Many successful predictions of mine is given in mundane astrology. Many people ask me what is trick of the trade I use or put is astrologer ask me what is the astrology techniques I use.

Following is my suggestion

First what are the are in mundane astrology can be predicted.

Elections this means Indian parliament elections, the usa presidential elections, uk elections or any election in the states.

Wars- basically the world has become such a peaceful place that world wars will also become non existent. War between countries will be common. I had predicted successfully the afghan war, the start of iraq war ( I had done by sep when many astrologer started seeing trend in the dec or jan ) , post iraq
war .

Sports – Indian being cricket obsessed there is constant clamoring for the matches. Of course football, tennis , golf motor sports is also gaining lot of importance. New research needs to be done .

Stock markets and price of commodities –

This also very successful area on mine. Please understand that I have done only for Indian markets for which the results can be extrapolated for the other index also.
Price of gold silver and other items like petrol etc can also be predicted. I have given one or two prediction for gold and petrol which came out true.

Natural calamities like floods, earth quakes etc.add to this areas is the tsunami research. Air crashes, shipr crashes can be added to this area.

The yearly predictions for India is a very important area. Many successful prediction for many sectors can be done very easily with out much effort. Of course what is done by economy professor and research analyst can be easily beaten by astrologer who has some knowledge on these subjects.

Cinema and celebrity profiles can be other area which is also seen.

How to become a very good mundane astrologer.

Many astrologer has the knack of saying all negative things about India and the world . this is due to the lack of knowledge .

Following is the subject idea in needed for mundane astrology- geography, history , ecnomics, international politics, geology is needed. This can be done on the plus two level of Indian syllabus. Many astrologer make a ass of themselves with out understanding these subjects. So before one venture in to this side it is very important to have sound knowledge or atleast a basic level in Indian astrology/.

Now the technical parts.

This is written purely on a noble basis and not to hurt any astrologer.

Use simple techniques this will help u predict very quickly.

I use the Indian independence horoscope of 1947 aug 15 midnight 12.01 as the main chart for the Indian predictions. This is fairly will give u very accurate ideas. Many astrologer use jamini astrology ,so many charkas suray vithi , sanskarathi chart that almost one can leads to the paralysis by analysis. I have hardly rely on this. This may surprises many astrology gurus who use a variety of techniques to dazzle people but donot predict.

For the prediction of the election results one needs to use the swearing ceremony chart which will clearly predict .for example how will be bush presidency in the coming 4 years can be predicted using his swearing ceremony than any other details. This can be done for any place in the world.

Most of the celebrity horoscope use by Indian astrologer are wrong. They have all kinds of fanciful theories and write jargons. Most of the successful Indian politicians and celebrity come from cancer , Taurus, vrichika and simha lagna. I have seen the chart of the mr.advani were tenth lord is in the 12 th house and neecha used by many astrologer. Always understand that tenth lord will be very powerful for the celebrities. This is one of the best way to check the charts.

The books of the varahamihra will give u fair idea on the success in mundane astrology.

Many people forget that varahamihra in is entire books write more on the external signs and transits to write. Use this common sense approach. The clues thrown by astronomical changes will give a fair idea on how to predict for mundane astrology

Donot believe in any of the secret parampara techniques. Most of it Is out and rest can not be used unless they are modernized. Try to develop a systematic approach towards the mundane astrology. People just con and make money in name of parmpara. The common techniques will give u fair edge over astrologer who donot believe or use these techniques properly. I have used for example 22nd drekkana for predicting veerpan death.

Donot concentrate on mass deaths and death of any leader or war. Then u will lot of pain . most of the people who make sensational predictions really fall flat. Example is the third world war. Many of prediction on positive issues like economics etc. the flip side is use the statistical analysis shown in television. I went one of the astrologer office were he was writing prediction on algore will win based on polls results. he obviously went wrong. Trying to supplement astrology based on poll results or tv shows will rarely work.

I read economic times , watch bbc news and also ndtv some business news on regular basis.

Many people try to imitate and copy other astrologer. Some people even get awards. It is ok donot do that try to stick to ur own areas of interest and specialization this will give u a lot of confidence’s. u can cheat some people some time but not all people all the time/.

Don’t behave like idiot. Some astrologer say rahul Gandhi will join the bjp. If u ask for charts they don’t have. This kind of prediction will spoil ur name and also astrology community name. If are sure of the chart please predict this will give u fairly good idea.

Finally I don’t have huge name and clout like many great guru in astrology this take a lot of pressure of my head. In terms of predictions and volume area and range I can easily will be in top slot. Use intuition this will also lead to good predictions.

Donot put down others. Many astrologer do not want to even recognize other astrologer who do good work or appreciate other people effort. This has karmic impact in the long run.

Jataka Parijatam and Kalachakra Navamsa

By Shree Narasimha P.V.R Rao
This article contains copyright materials (c) 2005, P.V.R. Narasimha Rao, Sri Jagannath Centre

Dear Ranjan,

Only trimsamsa and hora?

Are you sure Parasara mentioned the signs in navamsa and not just the lords? Are you 100% sure? Go back and re-read the verses carefully!

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Strictly speaking, Parasara did not clearly define the signs in which various amsas fall, whether it is navamsa or dasamsa or some other amsa. He only
specified the lords.

Let me quote Parasara's verses on navamsa (6-12 in Santhanam's version of BPHS):

navaamsheshaashchare tasmaat sthire tannavamaaditaH |
ubhaye tatpanchamaaderiti chintyam vichakshanaih ||

This literally means that the lords of nine navamsas in movable/fixed/dual signs are the lords of the 9 signs from the same sign/9th from it/5th from it (respectively).

If the lords of navamsas in Ta are, for example, the LORDS of Cp, Aq, Pi, Ar, Ta, Ge, Cn, Le and Vi, it does NOT automatically mean that the navamsa signs of the nine navamsas in Ta are Cp, Aq, Pi, Ar, Ta, Ge, Cn, Le and Vi.

They can instead be Cp, Aq, Pi, Sc, Li, Vi, Cn, Le and Ge. The lords would still be the same! If the lord of a specific navamsa in Ta is the lord of Ar, that specific navamsa can fall in Ar or Sc. The lord would still be Mars! The lord of a sign being the lord of Ar does not restrict the sign to being Ar.

Some may think I am splitting hairs, but this is a genuine point and you will understand where I am coming from if you carefully read "Jataka Parijatam". I will write more a little later.

Very strictly speaking, only the lords of navamsa are specified and Parasara did not specify the exact navamsa signs. Could it be because he expected us to guess? Or, could it be because there are different possibilities?

I am reminded of an old saying that one who does not ask questions never finds the answers!

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Kalachakra Navamsa

(c) 2005, P.V.R. Narasimha Rao, Sri Jagannath Centre
You cannot reproduce parts of this writing in any form without written permission from the author.

For an alternate definition of the navamsa chart, let us read verses 17-5, 17-7 and 17-8 of "Jataka parijatam" in another mail.

dharaaja shukrajna shasheena saumya sitaara jeevaarkaja manda jeevaaH |
krameNa meShaadiShu raashinaathaastadmshapaashcheti vadanti santaaH || 17-5

Literal Meaning: For rasis starting from Aries, the lords are Mars, Venus, Mercury, Moon, Sun, Mercury, Venus, Mars, Jupiter, Saturn, Saturn and Jupiter. Same is true for the navamsas in signs also.

Detailed Meaning: When we write the nine navamsas in each sign, starting from Aries and going upto Pisces, we get 12x9=108 navamsas. Their lords are given by the above sequence of 12 planets, with the sequence given above repeating nine times. This is consistent with the navamsa lords defined by Parasara in BPHS.

ashwi punarvasu hasta moola proShThapadaadiShu |
triShveShu gaNayenmeShaat praadakShiNya krameNa tu || 17-7

Literal Meaning: In groups of three nakshatras starting from Aswini, Punarvasu, Hasta, Moola and Poorvabhadra, we count [nav]amsas zodiacally, starting from Aries.

Detailed Meaning: Combining this with 17-5, we can start from Aries and go zodiacally and get the 12 lords as given. The signs clearly are: Aries, Taurus, Gemini, Cancer, Leo, Virgo, Libra, Scorpio, Sagittarius, Capricorn, Aquarius and Pisces.

Thus, this is the order of navamsa signs for the padas of 3 stars starting from Aswini, Punarvasu, Hasta, Moola and Poorvabhadra.

rohiNee magha vaishaakha vaiShNavaadi krameNa tu |
vRshchikaadyamshakaanaam apasavya krameNa tu || 17-8

Literal Meaning: In groups of three nakshatras starting from Rohini, Makha, Visakha and Sravanam, we count [nav]amsas irregularly, starting from Scorpio.

Detailed Meaning: Combining this with 17-5, we can start from Scorpio and go backwards irregularly and get the 12 lords as given. The signs clearly are: Scorpio, Libra, Virgo, Cancer, Leo, Gemini, Taurus, Aries, Pisces, Aquarius, Capricorn and Sagittarius. Though this progression is basically anti-zodiacal, there are exceptions. These exceptions/special jumps occur due to the constarint on the lordships placed in 17-5. First navamsa is Scorpio, lorded by Mars. Next one is Libra, lorded by Venus. Next one is Virgo, lorded by Mercury. Then Moon, Sun and Mercury must come. So it has to be Cancer, Leo and Gemini. Due to Moon and Sun owning only one sign each, we have these jumps.

Thus, this is the order of navamsa signs for the padas of 3 stars starting from Rohini, Makha, Visakha and Sravanam.

Kalachakra Navamsa Chart:

Kalachakra navamsa chart is a variation of the normal navamsa chart. It is cast based on the three verses we discussed above. The following mapping makes it clearer:

Four padas of Aswini, Punarvasu, Hasta, Moola, P.Bhadra: Ar, Ta, Ge, Cn
Four padas of Bharani, Pushyami, Chitra, P.Shadha, U.Bhadra: Le, Vi, Li, Sc
Four padas of Krittika, Asresha, Swathi, U.Shadha, Revati: Sg, Cp, Aq, Pi

Four padas of Rohini, Magha, Visakha, Sravanam: Sc, Li, Vi, Cn
Four padas of Mrigasira, P.Phalguni, Anuradha, Dhanishtha: Le, Ge, Ta, Ar
Four padas of Ardra, U.Phalguni, Jyeshtha, Satabhishak: Pi, Aq, Cp, Sg

Using this mapping, Kalachakra Navamsa chart is cast. I use it in the interpretation of Kalachakra dasa.

In fact, you can define a Kalachakra Nava-Navamsa chart by treating the above Kalachakra navamsa chart as rasi chart and finding further navamsas in it! You will find that the Kalachakra dasa cycles given for various navamsas in classics are nothing but the Kalachakra nava-navamsas within each Kalachakra navamsa!!!!

I will write later about a Kalachakra dasa method taught by Sreeman Tirumala Samudrala Venkata Raghavacharya in a Telugu language book titled "Kalachakramu" published in 1930. I have read and experimented with many methods of Kalachakra dasa calculation, but Sreeman Raghavacharya's method is what satisfied me intellectually. It is the one method that does complete justice to various verses of classics.

For example, every scholar covering Kalachakra dasa has ignored one basic verse of Parasara that says that the longevity of a native is from the periods of nine navamsas starting from janma navamsa! Sreeman Raghavacharya's method is the most brilliant method I have read. If I have time, I will write about it more clearly later. It is one of the SIX different Kalachakra dasa calculation methods available in JHora 7.02. You can also get Kalachakra Navamsa and Kalachakra Nava-navamsa charts in JHora 7.02. JHora 7.02 also allows you to find Kalachakra
dasa from Moon or lagna.

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Talking about Trimsamsa and hora charts, you can get 3 different kinds of trimsamsa charts and 6 different kinds of hora charts in JHora 7.02! When it comes to advanced Jyotish computations for the benefit of serious researchers, JHora is an unparallelled software to the best of my knowledge. Download it and explore it!

May Jupiter's light shine on us,
Narasimha

Arudha lagna

By Pt. Sanjay Rath

Arudha Lagna - The Personal image

1. Arudha lagna (AL) is the image of a person (or any body) which is the reflection of the ascendant about the lord of the ascendant. The ascendant is the physical personality & intelligence while the ascendant lord is the applied intelligence (Paka lagna). The arudha shows the way we are viewed in this world due to our overall personality and resources as well as due to its use and modifications.
   


2. There are arudha for each of the twelve houses and they represent the images that exist in our minds. For example, the arudha of the fourth house represents the home environment at childhood. If this is in a sign of Venus then it indicates a strong presence of mother and her family in shaping childhood.
   


3. The arudha lagna represents the final record of all events of ones life that form the image of the person. This implies images of other houses adding to the image of AL. Impact of darapada (A7) is crucial for relationships, finances and social success.

Planets & the arudha lagna

Moon is the significator of AL.
Planets like Moon & Jupiter who have a good reputation associating with arudha lagna protect the reputation and image while planets like Saturn & Rahu with a bad name spoil the image.
In general the relationship of planets with the Moon determines their ability to influence the arudha in a good or bad manner.
The status of the arudha lagna lord is the status of the native. Planets exalted in the arudha lagna or the 7th from it promise reputation and success in their fields as well as consequent good fortune.
Debilitated planets in arudha ruin the image.
Benefic planets in the 1, 2, 4, 5, 7 & 8 houses and malefic planets in 3 & 6 houses give good results if they are strong in rasi & navamsa. Instead if the planets are weak in debility in the rasi or navamsa, the results will be contrary. On the other hand, weak benefic planets in the 3 & 6 houses from arudha lagna give rajayoga.
The tenth house is good for benefic planets only and even exalted malefic planets in this house cause trouble.
Any planet in the 9th house from arudha lagna gives good results and protects the image while they give good income in the 11th house and losses and expenses in the 12th.

Birth family & arudha

Further reading
Co-born: Younger co-born from 3rd house & lord and elders from 11th house and lord.
Children from the 9th house from Upapada
Protector from the 9th house from arudha lagna¦and so on.

Transits & arudha

Transit of Saturn in the 1st, 4th, 8th & 10th houses from lagna and arudha are inauspicious.
Transit of Jupiter in quadrants from arudha lagna is a blessing.
Transit of Rahu in trines to arudha lagna gives rajayoga and material blessings while that of Ketu in trines is excellent for spiritual pursuits and renunciation.
The Sun & Moon in trines to any arudha causes it to manifest

Change of image with time

1. The image or arudha is maya or untruth and cannot be permanent. It changes with time based on dasa.
   


2. Every dasa affects the arudha by (1) house placement from it and (2) argala (planetary intervention)
   


3. Narayana dasa, Vimsottari dasa and other such methods of progression are useful tools to decipher the changes in image.
   


4. Natural years of carakaraka replacement also cause major changes in the arudha.
   


5. Change in jobs, attainment of position and authority, marriage and various other events cause changes in the image depending on the association of their respective images with the arudha lagna.
   


6. Study dasa from standard texts.
   

Meaning & Concept of Arudha

1. Rasi/Bhava Arudha
   
   • Mirror image i.e. image of person in this world is his Arudha Lagna, Image of mother is A4, Father is A9 and so on.
     
   • How do these images intervene with his image?
     Argala & Virodhargala
     


2. Graha Arudha
   
   • Image of other people

Calculation

Arudha Pada of the various houses
• Riders (a)Swasthe Daraha, (b) Sutasthe Janma
  


• Rules for dual Lordship
  

Graha Arudha of Various houses

• Rules for dual lordship shall apply
  
• Many like my grandfather used both Graha Arudha

Nomenclature

1. Bhava Arudha – 1st house: Arudha Lagna, Lagna Pada, Pada – AL, 2nd house: Dhana Pada; etc. till Upapada –UL,

2. Graha Arudha –Ravi pada, Chandra pada, Guru Meena pada etc.. are used in the nadi literature. What do they mean?

3. How to draw the Rasi & Graha Arudha Chakra?

· Rasi Arudha Chakra has true Graha positions. Thus it is the interaction of the images of his personal self and others close to him with the world. It shows how the world perceives you and how the world around you shall react to what you do.

· Graha Arudha Chakra has true Bhava positions. Thus it is the interaction of the images of the various people as perceived by the native on himself. It shows how you perceive the world around you and how you will react to the various environmental inputs.

Focus on Rasi arudha Chakra REsults

1. Results of planets in different houses from AL:

· Generally benefics in 1,2,4,5,7,8,10, and malefics in 3,6 & 12 indicate Rajyoga.

· Reverse shall occur when these planets are debilitated in Navamsa i.e. Vipareeta Rajyoga/neecha Yoga can occur.

· All planets, and even an Upagraha is beneficial in the ninth and shows prosperity and protection. It should be used for protecting your image.

· All planets in 11 show sources on income & in 12 show sources of expenditure.

· Malefics in 6 show corruption while benefics show honest income.

· Moon is the Karaka for AL.

· Planets in 7 & 12 show those who shall oppose you/ cheat you at home

2. Results of planets in different houses from Upapada.

· Just like the above, but the sun is Karaka and is always beneficial to UL.

· Exalted planets in UL, show spouse from a well known family; if debilitated reverse holds good; if none then the lord of UL shall show the status of spouse’s family.



Best Wishes

Sanjay Rath

Interpreting Parasara's Dreshkana Definition

by Shree Narasimha P.V.R. Rao

Here are the verses from Santhanam's version of BPHS.

Verses 6-7, 6-8

raasi tribhaagaa dreshkaanaaste cha shattrimsadeeritaah |
parivrittitrayam teshaam meshaadeh kramaso bhavet ||
swa pancha navamaanaam cha raaseenaam kramasascha te |
naaradaagastidurvaasaa dreshkaanesaah charaadishu ||

Literal Meaning: The one-third parts of rasis are called dreshkanas. There are 36 of those. There are three repetitions of those, starting from Aries and going in the regular order. They are of 1st, 5th and 9th of signs in the regular order and dreshkana lords are Naarada, Agastya and Durvaasa, in movable signs etc.

As you can see, this literal meaning is not too helpful and it needs some interpretation. There are three possible interpretations. I will go through them one after the other.

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Interpretation 1:

If you go from the beginning of Aries and take 36 equal parts of the zodiac, you get 0-10 Ar, 10-20 Ar, 20-30 Ar, 0-10 Ta, 10-20 Ta, 20-30 Ta and so on. These are mapped to signs in such a way that the 12 signs in the zodiac repeat 3 times. We take the 1st, 5th and 9th from signs. So, for the 3 parts of Ar, the mapping is Ar, Le and Sg. For the 3 parts of Ta, the mapping is Ta, Vi and Cp. For the 3 parts of Ge, the mapping is Ge, Li and Aq. For the 3 parts of Cn, the mapping is Cn, Sc and Pi. For the 3 parts of Le, the mapping is Le, Sg and Ar. And so on.

The problem with this interpretation is that we get Ar, Le, Sg, Ta, Vi, Cp, Ge, Li, Aq, Cn, Sc and Pi for the first 12 dreshkanas, Le, Sg, Ar, Vi, Cp, Ta, Li, Aq, Ge, Sc, Pi and Cn for the second set of 12 dreshkanas and so on. This is not exactly a repetition of the same thing three times. The word "parivritti trayam" is not exactly upheld. However, argument can be made that parivritti trayam ("cycling thru the zodiac three times") does not exactly mean repetition of the same sequence 3 times, but covering the zodiac three times (possibly in different order each time). This is a tenable argument.

Another problem with this interpretation is the word "charaadishu". This term means "in movable signs etc". It implies that certain order given earlier applies to movable signs and the orders in fixed and dual signs are expected to be understood by the reader intelligently. However, one can argue that this term applies to the assignment of Maharshis only and not to "swa pancha navamaanaam". One can argue that Narada, Agastya and Durvasa are the lords of the 3 dreshkanas in movable signs and there are other orders in fixed and dual signs. This view is acceptable.

This interpretation is what Santhanam basically used in his translation of BPHS (though he seems to have erred on maharshis and totally ignored the term "charaadishu") and this interpretation is the most common one. Most software programs find drekkana (D-3) chart this way.

In JHora, this chart is called "Parasara Drekkana", simply because the most common interpretations of Parasara give this chart.

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Interpretation 2:

In this interpretation, the term "charaadishu" is applied to "naaradaagasti durvaasaah" as well as "swa pancha navamaanaam"! So the 3 drekkanas of a sign go into 1st, 5th and 9th from it, if it is movable. Parasara hints that the orders are different for fixed and dual signs, but does not specifically mention them. He expects to work that intelligently.

Now the big clue is the term "parivritti trayam". Now we can interpret it very strictly, unlike in the above interpretation. We can define the sequence for fixed signs as "9th, 1st and 5th" and for dual signs as "5th, 9th and 1st". With this definition, if we write down the signs corresponding to the 36 drekkanas, we get

Ar, Le, Sg, Cp, Ta, Vi, Li, Aq, Ge, Cn, Sc, Pi,
Ar, Le, Sg, Cp, Ta, Vi, Li, Aq, Ge, Cn, Sc, Pi,
Ar, Le, Sg, Cp, Ta, Vi, Li, Aq, Ge, Cn, Sc, Pi.

In other words, we do have a strict repetition three times!

So this is a very logical interpretation. This also fits with what Chandra Kala Nadi says in verse 5752: "chare svaputranavapaah sthire dharmasvaputrapaah. putradharmasvapaajneyaa drekkaanam vinyaset kramaat".

Though one can definitely argue that this is the correct interpretation of Parasara, we want to respect the majority who use interpretation 1 and we call this variation "Jagannatha Drekkana" in our tradition. In JHora also, it is shown as "Jagannatha Drekkana".

You may recall that the above is basically Vishnu's progression. Progressing by one sign is Brahma's progression and Narayana dasa progresses like chara dasa (1st, 2nd, 3rd, 4th etc) if lagna is in a movable sign. Progressing by 6 houses is Shiva's progression and Narayana dasa progresses as 1st, 6th, 11th (6th from 6th), 4th (6th from 11th), 9th (6th from 4th) and so on. Progressing thru dharma, artha, kama and moksha trikonas is Vishnu's progression and Narayana dasa progresses as 1st, 5th, 9th, 10th, 2nd, 6th, 7th, 11th, 3rd, 4th, 8th and 12th if lagna is in a dual sign. You can notice that the above progression of signs is like Narayana dasa progression for dual signs. So it has the stamp of Vishnu on it. So we call it "Jagannatha Drekkana" in our tradition.

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Interpretation 3:

One can interpret "parivritti trayam teshaam meshaadeh kramaso bhavet" as "there is a repetition by three times of those starting from Aries and going in the regular order. The word "meshaadeh" can be interpreted in two ways. It can mean "starting from Aries" or "from the starting of Aries". In the above two interpretations, we used the latter. So we used "meshaadeh" as a cue for deciding the 10 deg parts whose drekkanas we are talking about. We interpreted the line as saying "if the drekkanas of the 36 parts starting from 0-10 Ar and going regularly are arranged in an order, there is a repetition of the zodiac three times".

We can also interpret "meshaadeh" as "starting from Aries". Now this is being used as a cue for deciding the drekkanas themselves! So this means "there is a repetition by three times of the signs starting Aries". This implies that the 36 drekkanas are

Ar, Ta, Ge, Cn, Le, Vi, Li, Sc, Sg, Cp, Aq, Pi,
Ar, Ta, Ge, Cn, Le, Vi, Li, Sc, Sg, Cp, Aq, Pi,
Ar, Ta, Ge, Cn, Le, Vi, Li, Sc, Sg, Cp, Aq, Pi.

Here "parivritti trayam" is interpreted in the most straight-forward and strict way.

Now the third line "swa pancha navamaanaam" becomes tricky to interpret. That is the weakness of this definition.

But one can argue that the 3rd and 4th lines go together. One can argue that the first two lines define the drekkana mapping and the next two lines define the ruling Maharshis!

Now the last two lines can mean "if you start from movable signs and take 1st, 5th and 9th, lords are Narada, Agastya and Durvasa."

In other words, here we are not deciding the maharshis based on which one third of which sign. After finding the drekkana, we simply find the maharshi associated with that drekkana sign.

Thus the last two verses are interpreted for maharshi assignment and the drekkana mapping is exclusively derived from the second line.

This variation is called "Parivritti Traya Drekkana" in JHora.

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In my judgment, all the three interpretations given above are valid interpretations of Parasara. All of them are used by some group of astrologers or the other. In our tradition, we use all the three charts and we use them for different purposes. I will not at all be surprised if Parasara intended us to read the verses in 3 different ways and he intended all the three meanings. As somebody who understands the old Vedic paradigm of writing and the tradition of transmitting secrets in verses, I will not at all shocked or surprised by the idea that three different meanings could be buried in the same verses. But I am sure it will sound weird to some.

There is another variation known as "Somanatha Drekkana", which does not seem to have a basis in Parasara's teachings.

I hope the above interpretations make sense to the erudite among you.

May Jupiter's light shine on us,
Narasimha

64th Navamsa - Contd..

I got typed the following from Jatak Parijat.
K.N.Rao.
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Slokas 52-53. The following seven are termed (Chhidra)
Grahas or planets of vulnerability
(1) the lord of the 8th bhava;
(2) the planet occupying the same;
(3) the planet aspecting the 8th;
(4) the lord of (Khara) i.e., 22nd Drekkana from that of
the Lagna, (vide sloka 56, infra);
(5) the planet in conjunction with the lord of the 8th;
(6) the lord of the 64th Navamsa from that occupied by the
Moon, and
(7) the (Athisathru) of the lord of the 8th house.
Whichever of them is strongest, in the dasa of that planet
should an astrologer predict death.
By V. Subramanya Sastri B.A., Page-267
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Predict arista, which may or may not be death in many cases, is what I will suggest.

What is being called SELECTIVE BLOCKING is what I explained and have explained many times, as the will of God. My favourite example, quoting my Jyotish Guru, Yogi Bhaskaranandaji, is from the Gita. Read shlokas 26 and 27 of chapter 11.

These is no mention of Abhimanyu ? Why?
But in this case, there was no selective blocking but right emphasis on the 64 navamsa from Moon which has such tremendous value in predictive astrology.

Yours sincerely,
K.N.Rao.

Namaste Rao garu,

I do not dispute the importance of 64th navamsa from Moon. But you seem to be saying that the 64th navamsa from Moon alone is important, though some classics do mention the 64th navamsa from lagna and Sun too.

I have to respectfully disagree with your view.

The list given by Jataka Parijatam is a good starting point, but not a conclusive or comprehensive list of marakas (killers). One cannot be dogmatic about that list, especially when other classics give other hints.

Let me give you one example. Birthdata is:

JL5989

Natal Chart

Date:          January 20, 1927
Time:          12:30:00 pm
Time Zone:     5:30:00 (East of GMT)
Place:         81 E 08' 00", 16 N 10' 00"
               Machilipatnam, India
Altitude:      0.00 meters

Lunar Yr-Mo:   Kshaya - Pushya
Tithi:         Krishna Tritiya (Ma) (77.91% left)
Vedic Weekday: Thursday (Ju)
Nakshatra:     Magha (Ke) (77.11% left)
Yoga:          Ayushman (Ke) (4.11% left)
Karana:        Vanija (Ve) (55.82% left)
Hora Lord:     Moon (5 min sign: Ta)
Mahakala Hora: Saturn (5 min sign: Ge)
Kaala Lord:    Saturn (Mahakala: Moon)

Sunrise:       6:40:60 am
Sunset:        5:51:50 pm
Janma Ghatis:  14.5418

Ayanamsa:      22-50-00.91
Sidereal Time: 20:19:11

+-----------------------------------------------+
|GL   Md    |As   Ma    |           |Ra         |
|           |           |           |           |
|           |           |           |           |
|           |           |           |           |
|           |           |           |           |
|-----------+-----------------------+-----------|
|Ju   Gk    |                       |HL         |
|           |                       |           |
|           |                       |           |
|           |                       |           |
|           |                       |           |
|-----------|         Rasi          |-----------|
|Su   Me    |                       |Mo         |
|Ve   AL    |                       |           |
|           |                       |           |
|           |                       |           |
|           |                       |           |
|-----------+-----------------------+-----------|
|Ke         |Sa         |           |           |
|           |           |           |           |
|           |           |           |           |
|           |           |           |           |
|           |           |           |           |
+-----------------------------------------------+
Malicious Division                   Lord

The 64th navamsa                     Jupiter
The 22nd drekkana (Pararsara)        Jupiter
The 22nd drekkana (Parivritti traya) Saturn and Rahu
The 22nd drekkana (Somanatha)        Venus
The 22nd drekkana (Jagannatha)       Mars
Body                Longitude        Nakshatra Pada Rasi Navamsa

Lagna               18 Ar 58' 37.08" Bhar      2    Ar   Vi
Sun - PK             6 Cp 24' 02.72" USha      3    Cp   Aq
Moon - GK            3 Le 03' 04.88" Magh      1    Le   Ar
Mars - AK           21 Ar 56' 27.32" Bhar      3    Ar   Li
Mercury - DK         0 Cp 59' 24.26" USha      2    Cp   Cp
Jupiter - PiK        7 Aq 34' 30.95" Sata      1    Aq   Sg
Venus - AmK         20 Cp 43' 26.44" Srav      4    Cp   Cn
Saturn - MK         12 Sc 15' 50.56" Anu       3    Sc   Li
Rahu - BK           13 Ge 07' 07.94" Ardr      2    Ge   Cp
Ketu                13 Sg 07' 07.94" Mool      4    Sg   Cn
Maandi               6 Pi 59' 29.18" UBha      2    Pi   Vi
Gulika              23 Aq 56' 17.19" PBha      2    Aq   Ta
Bhava Lagna          3 Ar 24' 17.30" Aswi      2    Ar   Ta
Hora Lagna           0 Cn 39' 19.64" Puna      4    Cn   Cn
Ghati Lagna         22 Pi 24' 26.66" Reva      2    Pi   Cp
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The native of this chart passed away in 1949 in Venus dasa (being an astrologer, he actually foresaw it and remained a bachelor despite pressure to get married after he joined a good government job). Now, let us go through your list of 7 planets/groups of planets:

(1) Venus is not the 8th lord.
(2) Venus is not in 8th.
(3) Venus does not aspect 8th.
(4) Venus is not the 22nd drekkana lord with either Parasara drekkana or Jagannatha drekkana.
(5) Venus is not in conjunction with either 8th lord (Mars or Ketu).
(6) Venus is not the lord of 64th navamsa from Moon (irrespective of which ayanamsa is used - Lahiri or Raman or Deva-datta or KP).
(7) Venus is not an adhisatru (worst enemy) of either 8th lord (Mars or Ketu), using the definition given by Parasara for "adhisatru". Venus is a taatkaalika mitra (temporary friend) to both planets and his compound relationship with the two 8th lords is "mitra" (friend) and "adhimitra" (great friend).

But, it is a fact that Vimsottari dasa of Venus gave death. Why did such a big list given by Jataka Parijatam not work?

The answer is simple. It is not a comprehensive list. There are other candidates for killerdom not mentioned in that list, but mentioned in other classics. We cannot ignore other classics.

Now, let us take cue from Prasna Marga and consider lagna, Moon and Sun. Sun is the strongest of the three references in this chart. So take the 64th navamsa lord from Sun.

Surprise surprise - it is Venus!

May Jupiter's light shine on us,
Narasimha

Kota Chakra and Danger to Bush

Namaste friends,

There was a talk about a possible danger to Bush in June-July 2005.

There are many techniques for seeing such events, but Kota Chakra (aka Durga Chakra) is one important technique. Please read the excellent book on Kota Chakra by Sri KK Joshi, a student of Sri KN Rao.

You can get Kota chakra in JHora 7.02. Click on the "Chakras" tab and then on the "Kota Chakra" tab. Then click the right mouse button in the kota chakra window and select the pop-up menu item "view transits on this date". In the dialog box that comes up, enter the date, month, year and time. Kota chakra with the transits on the required date will be shown! It is ideal to have benefics (shown in green) in green areas and malefics (shows in red) in red areas.

* * *

When JFK was assassinated, Rahu and Ketu were transiting inside the fort in his Kota/Durga chakra. The dasa lord and maraka Jupiter too was in the fort.

When Indira Gandhi was assassinated, Rahu and Ketu were transiting inside the pillar of the fort in her Kota chakra.

When Rajiv Gandhi was assassinated, again Rahu and Ketu were transiting inside the pillar od the fort in his Kota chakra.

Kota chakra shows serious sicknesses also.

Take my chart (4th April 1970, 5:47:13 pm IST, Machilipatnam, India). Find the transits in Kota chakra around July 20, 2004. Sun, Rahu and Ketu were transiting inside the pillar and Mars and Saturn inside the fort (but not inside the pillar). All benefics were outside the fort. My health was terrible around that date.

* * *

If you use Kota Chakra principle, there is no danger to Bush in June-July 2005. An interesting time that comes up using Kota chakra is around March 31, 2008. Retrograde Saturn and Ketu transiting in Magha star and Rahu in Dhanishtha star form an axis on his natal 2nd/8th house. Moreover, Saturn, Rahu and Ketu will be inside the pillar in his Kota chakra, without any alleviating influences.

Some serious physical danger or sickness cannot be ruled out around that date.

Overall, I am more concerned about the second half of 2007 and the first half of 2008 than the second half of 2005.

More later...

May Jupiter's light shine on us,
Narasimha

True and Mean Nodes

The classics do not specifically mention true or mean. In fact, these two adjectives are modern inventions.

But, classics do mention that Rahu and Ketu are always retrograde. That seems to suggest mean nodes. But whether that was done for convenience or reason is arguable.

* * *

> Please tell me what is arbitrary about the computation of the nodes'
> positions. Or tell me what is hypothetical about it. If you believe
> that since they are computed they are hypothetical, then all planetary
> positions are computed and thus are hypothetical.

Well, there is a big difference between nodes and planets. When I say Sun or Moon or Mars, I see them physically. There is nothing called Rahu or Ketu physically. So I can define them in different ways. It is just a matter of how you define it. That is why I call it arbitrary.

If you like true nodes, you probably define nodes as the intersection between the momentary orbits. But why should I define that way only? There is nothing called a momentary orbit. At a moment, there is only a position. The so-called momentary orbit is just a hypothetical construct.

When different definitions can be employed and there is no compelling reason to use either definition, I call it arbitrary.

Please read

http://www.snowcrest.net/sunrise/amoon-nodes.htm

for a different way of articulating what I just said.

* * *

I have a lot of experience not only with divisional chart analysis but also with Narayana dasa evaluated for each divisional charts. Unlike chara dasa, Narayana dasa can be computed separately for each divisional chart (use JHora for it). If Rahu and Ketu change signs in a division, Narayana dasa will change, sometimes drastically.

Based on my studies in the timing of events using Narayana dasa of divisional charts, I am fully convinced that mean nodes are the way to go. That would be my advice to anyone interested in it.

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I have long had one thought regarding planetary longitudes too. Planets are not points. They are objects occupying a range of longitudes in the zodiac. Look at Sun and Moon for example. They look so big. Still, we abstract them as points in astrology. The question is, which point should be taken as their center?

Normally, we take the centerof gravity of planets and take its co-ordinates. The co-ordinates of the center of gravity of Moon are taken as the co-ordinates of Moon.

Implicit in this is the assumption that planets exert influence on us thru gravity. But, is that true? How do planets influence our fortunes? Is it thru gravity or light or electromagnetism or something else that we don't understand?

If it is thru some other medium not yet understood that planets influence our lives, say some kind of spiritual energy? If so, can the "spiritual center" of Moon be slightly off the center of gravity of Moon?

In other words, however accurate we make our calculations, there is an uncertainty at the end. It is not impossible that some kind of minor correction should be applied to planetary longitudes and latitudes at the end.

Unless we understand the answers to these questions well, we cannot authentically answer if true nodes or mean nodes should be used.

I am really pressed for time and may not be able to engage on this topic. Please give serious consideration to various points I made.

May Jupiter's light shine on us,
Narasimha